Coronavirus

[CLOUD 500]

Je pense que ça s’explique dû au fait que c’est difficile voir impossible pour le gouvernement de contrôler l’économie souterraine et non dû à la covid.
Par exemple j’ai été joué quelques fois au Poker dans une vraie salle underground organisée à Toronto sans aucune restriction sanitaire requise. Tandis qu’au même moment tous les casinos officiels étaient fermés…

All these Liberal lovers and pro-government members on this board who want lockdowns and vaccine passports should be lucky that escorts are not regulated by the government, if it were they would be all shut down just like the bars are. And what is more because the government wants to play Grandma and interfere with every aspect of peoples personal lives in the name of protection and security, the services would probably be no DFK and only CBJ (with the way the Canadian government thinks it would probably be glory holes during covid restrictions). Very weird how they enjoy the pleasures of Merb escorts thanks to no government interference and zero government regulation but on the other hand want everyones liberties stripped in the name of protection/security. See how much better things would be for everyone if government mind its own business. The most healthy and prosperous society is one with minimal rules and a free market.

 

[IamNY]

The politicians continue to tell you to "do as I say, not as I do". Wear your masks, stay indoors, don't travel, and on and on. Except when it comes to them:

AOC tests positive for COVID-19 after partying in Miami maskless

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., has tested positive for the coronavirus, according to a statement from her office on Sunday.

www.foxnews.com

 

[fromtheoutside]

Ah ... the denial of hospital and healthcare theme again. It's incredible to watch society devolve into a modern day Lord of the Flies, rational vs. emotional thought, morality vs. unprincipled and group thinking vs. individual rights.

Even those on the vax-at-all-costs side are falling apart as I read a recent article about how 50% of Ontarians are shopping and refusing their boaster if it's Moderna. Which is perplexing because I'd assume they would follow the doctrine as they have, or are they beginning to do their own research and make their own decisions on what they put in their body.

Or perhaps they haven't done their homework, which I understand from here is as simple as 'googling' something and presumably reading the title of the first 1-3 search items that come up.

It's interesting how some Libertarians forget some key pillars of their philosophy, freedom of choice and individualism.

It will be interesting to see how enthusiasm for future boasters will wain as the requirements make their way to a fourth, fifth, etc. and how this fits into the denial of care or arbitrary sequencing of health care access. I wonder as mentioned here if a fully vaccinated person who does see an escort, against current health care guidelines, should be denied care. I'm also curious, as a vaccinated individual who believes people should decide what they put into their body, do I rank behind or on equal footing, with another vaccinated person who believes vaccinations should be forced on people, in the hierarchy of medical attention. So much to unpack with this new healthcare system being proposed.

 

[minutemenX]

It's interesting how some Libertarians forget some key pillars of their philosophy, freedom of choice and individualism.


A very revealing observation about the depth of conviction of some self-proclaimed “libertarians”.

 

[bonerland citizen]

It's interesting how some Libertarians forget some key pillars of their philosophy, freedom of choice and individualism.

By Chance in Montreal Gazette UN news:

COVID-19: Stronger action, more vaccinations urged as Quebec hospitalizations surge

In the article:
"But making vaccination compulsory — an option floated Friday by federal Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos — should only be considered as a last resort, once other alternatives have been exhausted, said Jocelyn Maclure, a professor of philosophy at McGill University and Stephen A. Jarislowsky Chair in Human Nature and Technology."

So funny I recognize the name Stephen Jarislowsky. My dad's sugar baby used to work at IGOPP.
Basically he is a heavy duty Billionaire Industrialist Philanthropist.
"Institute of Governance"...hehe mention that Montreal Gazette.

Stephen A. Jarislowsky | IGOPPhttps://igopp.org › igopp › board-of-directors › stephen...

Also he throws money into the University platforms.
2-million gift from Montreal philanthropist Stephen Jarislowsky ...https://www.mcgill.ca › newsroom › channels › news

Jocelyn Maclure:
I am a philosophy professor at McGill University in Montreal. I ...http://jocelynmaclure.com
Jocelyn Maclure | Philosophy - McGill Universityhttps://www.mcgill.ca › philosophy › jocelyn-maclure
"He is the current president of the Quebec Ethics in Science and Technology Commission."
"I am a philosophy professor at McGill University in Montreal. I hold the Stephen A. Jarislowsky Chair on Human Nature and Technology."
I bet we have some serious "Designer" ethics coming in the future.
He ain't just a casual philosophy professor like Montreal Gazette mentions.

I doubt they forget the key pillars of philosophy, freedom of choice and individualism.
Ethics and philosophy seems to be run by actual "Stakeholder$" errr "Investors".
Follow the money.

My Understanding is we have a Parallel corporate "System of Governance" competing with our "Outdated" government of the people.
It's called the "Progressive agenda" or "Brave New World"

We all instinctively know mandatory vax will be the last resort. They just preparing our minds to accept.

 

[sene5hos]

By Chance in Montreal Gazette UN news:

COVID-19: Stronger action, more vaccinations urged as Quebec hospitalizations surge

In the article:
"But making vaccination compulsory — an option floated Friday by federal Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos — should only be considered as a last resort, once other alternatives have been exhausted, said Jocelyn Maclure, a professor of philosophy at McGill University and Stephen A. Jarislowsky Chair in Human Nature and Technology."

So funny I recognize the name Stephen Jarislowsky. My dad's sugar baby used to work at IGOPP.
Basically he is a heavy duty Billionaire Industrialist Philanthropist.
"Institute of Governance"...hehe mention that Montreal Gazette.

Stephen A. Jarislowsky | IGOPPhttps://igopp.org › igopp › board-of-directors › stephen...

Also he throws money into the University platforms.
2-million gift from Montreal philanthropist Stephen Jarislowsky ...https://www.mcgill.ca › newsroom › channels › news

Jocelyn Maclure:
I am a philosophy professor at McGill University in Montreal. I ...http://jocelynmaclure.com
Jocelyn Maclure | Philosophy - McGill Universityhttps://www.mcgill.ca › philosophy › jocelyn-maclure
"He is the current president of the Quebec Ethics in Science and Technology Commission."
"I am a philosophy professor at McGill University in Montreal. I hold the Stephen A. Jarislowsky Chair on Human Nature and Technology."
I bet we have some serious "Designer" ethics coming in the future.
He ain't just an casual philosophy professor like Montreal Gazette mentions.

I doubt they forget the key pillars of philosophy, freedom of choice and individualism.
Ethics and philosophy seems to be run by actual "Stakeholder$" errr "Investors".
Follow the money.

My Understanding is we have a Parallel corporate "System of Governance" competing with our "Outdated" government of the people.
It's called the "Progressive agenda" or "Brave New World"

We all instinctively know mandatory vax will be the last resort. They just preparing our minds to accept.

I am not a professor of philosophy, but I am also capable of philosophizing.

The major rule between philosophy and reality is man.

When millions of people suffer and die, philosophical theories are very far away.

 

[Francoquart]

When millions of people suffer and die, philosophical theories are very far away.

Millions of people suffering how exactly?
- Measures: Same for Vaccinated and Non Vaccinated
- Transmission: Again same for both
- Hospitalization: Non Vaccinated more at risk, but Vaccinated catching up
- Privileges: The passport made sure that only Vaccinated have access to it.
This situation is not is not the doing of the Non Vaccinated. They are not the ones moving around, going out to clubs, etc... So stop trying to make it so. It is simply illogical and has no real grounds.
Do you Know how many Millions died to protect our Freedoms? The ones that they are preparing us to step on and shatter. The issue of personal freedom stands even if this vaccine is efficient, but the fact it has failed so miserably makes it even more critical.
Do you know how many have survived COVID?
Confirmed: 739,293
Deaths: 11,940
Recovered: 577,427
Percentage from Recovered: 98%
Percentage from Total: 98.35%
What are you really talking about man? You want us to loose our rights for that?!?!!?
Personally, I Had COVID 3 times, my EX wife had it 2 times. I cannot find one good reason why I need the Vaccine, or any of at least the 95% that have survived and recovered from COVID. I would even go further and state that forcing Vaccination for a Virus, which its permanent existence is almost a certainty, can be considered a Criminal Act, as it will strip as from adaptability, and natural immunity, which is how we evolved.
The Vaccine passport's existence was based on the notion that the Vaccinated were safer in terms of spreading the Virus (reduced spreading). This last wave have proved them wrong, and now that passport is used as "the stick and the Carrot". This shows that their calculation and assumptions were wrong. They were wrong since the beginning when they Claimed 70 percent was needed for herd immunity, it went up to 75, 90, and now they want 100 percent. Again, why would they be right? Now, They are assuming that for this Vaccine to be effective, it needs to be repeated, I think they are saying 4 times a year. Giving their history of predictions, starting by saying that Masks were not necessary, and then making them mandatory, we can assume that they know shit.
Loosing our rights for such clownish management is not something we should be willing to accept.
Finally, philosophy has its place in anything and everything

 

[cloudsurf]

Please tell us how you got covid 3 times and are you certain that one or more times wasn`t a bad cold or the seasonal flu?
Did you test during (positive) and after(negative) each time. Maybe you had long covid that didn`t go completely away.
What type of work or social situation would place you into such a risky environment ? Besides being not vaccinated did you take any caution?

 

[wetnose]

Projections de l’INESSS | Plus de 3000 hospitalisations d’ici 10 jours

Plus de 3000 lits occupés. Plus de 400 patients aux soins intensifs. Les hôpitaux québécois compteront sous peu davantage de patients atteints de la COVID-19 qu’à tout autre moment de la pandémie.

www.lapresse.ca

The National Institute of Excellence in Health and Social Services (INESSS) presented its most recent projections on the impact of the pandemic in Quebec on Thursday.
He anticipates that the milestone of 3,000 beds occupied by patients with COVID-19 will be crossed around January 16.

In addition, Quebec should cross the threshold of 400 intensive care patients at the same time. In both cases, it is significantly beyond level 3 of designated beds for COVID-19.
Currently, 1953 COVID-19 patients are hospitalized in Quebec, including 207 in intensive care.
Normally, at level 3, only 1,252 beds are expected to be occupied by COVID-19 patients.

Here's the discussion every Canadian should be having after all this shit is over: we need to fix the medical system from top to bottom.

It’s easy to point fingers at the Legault government, but the truth is we got here after 30+ years of neglect from all levels of government. Generations of Canadians voted in politicians who starved and stripped the medical system down to its bones.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.BEDS.ZS?locations=CA

Population was just over 25 million in 1984. We had 6.8 beds per 1000 people, so about 170,000 beds.

Population is now 38 million people in 2020. 2.5 beds per 1000 people so 95,000 beds. (Comparatively: Japan 13, Germany 8, France 6).

To a certain extent, the reduction was driven by improvements in medicine & practices but obviously we’ve gone too far. If we don't want to go the American route - higher prices, lower accessibility & unrestrained greed, then we need to vote in politicians who will do what needs to be done.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

Healthcares were defunded by the Canadian federal governments. When public healthcare were put in place, it was a 50% financial contribution from the federal government and a 50% contribution from the provinces. Now 77% of the cost is paid by the provinces and only 23% by the central federal government. That also contributed to the degradation of the service. With COVID and specially Omicron, more people gets in the hospitals than those going out, cause those patients needs at least a few hospitalization days. Those in ICU may be there for one week, sometime more.

 

[Francoquart]

Please tell us how you got covid 3 times and are you certain that one or more times wasn`t a bad cold or the seasonal flu?
Did you test during (positive) and after(negative) each time. Maybe you had long covid that didn`t go completely away.
What type of work or social situation would place you into such a risky environment ? Besides being not vaccinated did you take any caution?

The first time was at the very beginning of the wave. This was the longest and the most tiresome. The last one was in December, with the vaccination wave in schools. I tested positive on the first, the second i just assumed since it had almost similar symptoms than the first. The last one we all tested positive on the self test kit my son brought from school. My mother also got it in the first wave. I did test negative the first time. The rules was to stay home until you test negative. I own a grocery store, and i am always in contact with employees and clients, and also hobbying. Many of my friends also got it. How many without symptoms got it, it is impossible to know. I called and asked them why should I be vaccinated, they claim the vaccine is better than Natural immunity. Go figure, I was convinced on the spot.

 

[cloudsurf]

My friend works at Urgence Sante as a medic. He handles covid patients on an almost daily basis yet he has not caught covid or even the flu.
He is fully vaxxed including boosted, gets tested regularly and wears an N95 mask.

 

[Francoquart]

My friend works at Urgence Sante as a medic. He handles covid patients on an almost daily basis yet he has not caught covid or even the flu.
He is fully vaxxed including boosted, gets tested regularly and wears an N95 mask.

My brother never had it too. He is 35, he was with us when we caught it, took care of my mom, is very active socially. Not vaccinated though. Half of my staff got it lately, and 90 percent of them are vaccinated. I am certain that the counting that was being done is under representative of the numbers that got the COVID. If these are taken into account, we will find that the hospitalization rate is much lower, and yet our hospitals are over loaded. This administration did not anticipate anything, they are lazy, and just copy other European countries measures. It was a certainty that new variants are coming, they should have prepared instead of just focusing on Vaccination. What king of planning is it to put all your eggs in one basket? A failed plan in my opinion. To make things worse, they are dividing the people so that they can get away with it. I agree with wetnose that the debate should mostly focus on WHY was this administration taken by such surprise, and why they did not account for such a scenario. They had the time and the information to act on.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Connecticut Covid Positivity Rate at 23.68%; Hospitalizations Near Record High

Connecticut’s COVID positivity rate remains above 20% as hospitalizations climb toward record high

Since Friday, an additional 31,405 COVID cases were discovered in 132,606 tests for a...

www.nhregister.com

 

[Nutsinho]

This covid business is here to stay, 90% of the population is all in with the 24hr media fear porn.

Biden signs $137 million deal with German pharmaceutical company for COVID test strip factory that will take THREE YEARS to build and will start producing 83.3 million tests a month in late 2024 at the earliest​

Biden's $137M deal for COVID test factory will be done in THREE YEARS

'Construction is expected to begin the second half of 2022,' a MilliporeSigma spokesperson told DailyMail.com. 'We estimate that the facility will be capable... in the latter part of 2024.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Nutsinho]

In January 2015 there were 22 deaths per day during the flu season, more than we have now.

22 décès par jour causés par la grippe en janvier dernier

L’inefficacité du vaccin, la virulence de la souche de grippe ainsi que le temps très froid ont fait grimper le nombre de victimes.

www.journaldemontreal.com

 

[EagerBeaver]

For those of you who have sought to deliberately catch Omicron in order to "get it over with", here is some medical advice to call off that agenda:

5 reasons you should not deliberately catch Omicron to 'get it over with' | CNN

People keep talking about getting infected with a "mild" case of Omicron on purpose. Experts weigh in on why that's not a good idea.

www.cnn.com

 

[EagerBeaver]

Anti-vaccination advocate propounds alternative of drinking one's own urine:

Anti-vax leader urges people to drink urine instead of vaccine in latest conspiracy

The conspiracy theorist has been traveling the country threatening to arrest Democratic state governors

www.independent.co.uk

 

[gaby]

QUÉBEC....ARRUDA offre sa démission et LEGAULT l'accepte....il était évident que le DIRECTEUR de la Santé Publique ne faisait plus l'unanimité et ses décisions étaient de plus en plus questionnées et critiquées....ne l'aura pas eu facile dans une situation/position
extrêmement difficile ou chacune de ses décisions ---prise en fonction de l'intérêt public---était scrutée à la loupe.....il a fait de son mieux MAIS il était temps de passer la rondelle à quelqu'un d'autre soit Luc Boileau à qui l'on va souhaiter une bonne gestion de cette
crise interminable.....et merci HORACIO.

 

[gaby]

Sondage LÉGER...ce jour....65% des Québécois appuient les mesures sanitaires....c'est important MAIS une baisse de 14% par rapport à Novembre dernier.....il y a là un puissant message vis-a-vis LEGAULT que la population accepte difficilement les mesures
draconiennes prises récemment et a l'impression que le gouvernement n'est pas en contrôle......la lune de miel s'effrite ...va dorénavant avoir la vie moins facile.