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Fradi

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I change the proverb "The answer that kills" = Trump. The answer is easy, deconfinement has been far too hasty pushed by Trump.
Another fake news, Trump doesn't want to wear the mask, because it shows a lack of virility (like Sleepy Joe, according to Trump).
It's a complete lack of respect.

So you are trying to say none of these people have a brain in their head and If Trump doesn’t wear a mask then nobody else will either.
I can understand official policy and purchasing of PPE, but social distancing and wearing of masks, sorry most people have a brain in their head no matter what Trump or any other politician says it is up to them to use it.

You make your own luck in life.
 

sene5hos

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After reading your long text, which by the way is well written, much better than me, I am speechless.

We take a perfectly unknown situation, (as I said "We hit an invisible wall") and we throw him in front, then we watch him go. He's like a chicken no head.
It's so easy to do an analysis after a disaster, we should have done this or that.
We are all "estrades" managers and it's so easy to criticize. I certainly couldn't have done better, would you?

I am also open-minded because I have worked all my life with people who came from all over the world. I loved having American students, they were like us, I really appreciated them.
 

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"Gilead Sciences, the maker of the first covid-19 treatment found to have worked in clinical trials, remdesivir, said Monday it will charge U.S. hospitals $3,120 for the typical patient with private insurance.

Soon after the announcement, the Trump administration said it had secured nearly all of the company’s supply of the drug for use in U.S. hospitals through September, with a contract for 500,000 treatment courses, which it will make available to hospitals at Gilead’s price.

"Other developed countries will pay 25 percent less than the United States, a discount Gilead said reflects a need to make the drug as widely available as possible throughout the world.

The company has licensed generic manufacturers to produce the drug for developing countries which will receive the treatment “at a substantially lower cost,” the company said."

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"A clinical trial sponsored by the government showed the drug — invented by Gilead but developed largely by taxpayer-funded agencies — sped up hospital recoveries by 4 days. It had no statistically significant impact on survival for covid-19 patients.

Setting a price for a novel drug in the middle of a pandemic posed an unprecedented challenge, Gilead said. Cutting four days of hospital costs for each patient saves the U.S. health system $12,000 per patient, the company said. Based on that benchmark, it suggested it could have justified a higher price."

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"Gilead said it will have spent $1 billion to develop and manufacturer remdesivir by the end of 2020. Gilead invented the drug about 10 years ago when it was searching for treatments for hepatitis C but did not develop it. Later, the drug’s potential as an antiviral for emerging diseases was explored through a partnership with the government. Taxpayers spent at least $70 million developing the drug, according to advocates.

An independent analysis last week by the Institute for Economic and Clinical Review said Gilead could recover its costs by distributing the drug for as little as $1 to $60 per dose, or $100 to $160 per dose if all of the company’s 2020 costs are taken into account.

Under yesterday’s pricing, Gilead set the price at $520 per dose in the United States and $390 per dose in other developed countries. Gilead said six doses are required. . . ."
 

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So by charging hospitals $3,120 per dose they end up saving the hospital about $12,000 per patient because it reduces their stay by 4 days. More rooms available in hospitals, patience go home sooner, sounds good to me.
 

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I just had the Covid Test done at a drive through Covid Specimen Collection Station in CT.

Hope your procedure goes well, and you have a speedy recovery.

How much money have you had to pay for each of your Covid -19 diagnostic tests? I prefer the new test you had, EB. What's the accuracy of that less invasive and painful test?


"Before a camping and kayaking trip along the Texas Coast, Pam LeBlanc and Jimmy Harvey decided to get coronavirus tests. They wanted a bit more peace of mind before spending 13 days in close quarters along with three friends.

The two got drive-through tests at Austin Emergency Center in Austin."

. . . .

"The emergency room charged Mr. Harvey $199 in cash. Ms. LeBlanc, who paid with insurance, was charged $6,408.

. . . .

Ms. LeBlanc’s health insurer negotiated the total bill down to $1,128. The plan said she was responsible for $928 of that."

. . . .

"She used the information about what her friend had paid to negotiate her charges down to $199 as well. And after she reached out to a local television station, which devoted a segment to her charges, her health plan began investigating the bill.

Last Thursday, after returning from another camping trip, Ms. LeBlanc learned the bill would be dropped entirely."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/...tion=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article
 

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I think they are working in getting a inhaled version of remdesivir available.
 

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How much money have you had to pay for each of your Covid -19 diagnostic tests? I prefer the new test you had, EB. What's the accuracy of that less invasive and painful test?

It was covered by insurance, and cost me nothing. The techician told me the accuracy of the less invasive test is the same as the deep nasopharyngeal swab, which did not make sense to me but I did not question it. I was getting it done only because it was mandatory for a procedure, not because I was sick.

I am calling the less invasive test a "nostril cocktail" because that's what they do, they swirl it around your nostrils walls like mixing a cocktail but the specimen is basically nostril wall snot. The procedure tickles and I am surprised I did not sneeze.

The drive through "Covid Specimen Collection Station" was impressively well organized and very efficient. From the time I drove in to the the time I drove out was less than 3 minutes. No line, no wait. I was there Saturday morning.
 
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Infection among young people is on the rise while the curve is going down among the elderly population. Though this article doesn't mention the mortality rate in young people, many young people around the world are succumbing to Covid-19. In South Asia, where social distancing and contact tracing was as lackadaisical as USA, many people in their 20s and 30s are dying who did not have co-morbidity and were otherwise healthy. I myself have heard of deaths in my age group (late 20s) in my network back home. This is because these countries are densely populated and the virus has spread so much that anybody could easily find themselves in the 1% morbidity pool of the total infected population.

Covid-19 is a highly unpredictable disease. Nobody should consider themselves relatively safe. While the probability of a healthy young person succumbing to the disease is low, bear in mind that the larger the sample size - which is exponentially expanding due to the ease of spread of this contagion - the probability that YOU will become that rare statistic increases by the day.

We are safe only as long as our hospitals have spare beds for us.
 

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according to your source sene5hos (as reputable as you can get) 0.3% of 20-39 y.o were hospitalized or died. that's 3 in a 1000. It does not say how many were hospitalized versus how many died, but it is probably an order of magnitude difference, so figure 3 in 10000 that died. Were those 3 really healthy? probabaly not. Also, that is of confirmed covid infections. In that age group, probably at least half or 2/3 of infections go un-reported, so the real number is 3 in 20000 or 3 in 30000...

To answer your question, although even 1 death is always 1 death too many, statistically it is not alot. Not enough for me to hide in fear in my house.
 

The Nature Boy

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Shit man, no mas!! See this is something WHO needs to pounce on by modifying the current flu vaccines




 

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So true...
 

sene5hos

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EUROPE preparing to reopen its borders -- but probably not to Americans.
It's confirmed, not the USA.

I agree so much.

I imagine American travelers not respecting any measures arriving in Europe, as a large number currently do in the states of the south in the USA
 

The Nature Boy

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must be a lot of sexually frustrated F’ers out there on the international forums who are popping aneurysms feeling their gettin cocked blocked, lol
 

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I am calling the less invasive test a "nostril cocktail" because that's what they do, they swirl it around your nostrils walls like mixing a cocktail but the specimen is basically nostril wall snot. The procedure tickles and I am surprised I did not sneeze.

I spoke to my primary care doctor today, told him about the "nostril cocktail test" and asked him if I could get a prescription for that specific test if Maine does not rescind its quarantine rule between now and my August trip. When I described the test he indicated he knew exactly what it was, named it (I forgot what the name is that he said, but it's not "nostril cocktail") and that he could give me a prescription and I could set up a test at the same testing station I went to. Although I got Saturday's test results emailed to me exactly 8 hours and 47 minutes after the test was taken, he said there was no guarantee of a repeat of that performance and it could take up to 2 days, so he recommended taking the test 2 days before the trip. Obviously it has to be no more than 72 hours so that is a tight fucking window within which to be Covid tested so as to prove my negativity to the Maine authorities. And obviously I do not even want to leave for Maine until I have written test result in hand, or I will be sitting in my hotel room waiting for it to come in, which is not what you want.
 
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