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Eric Clapton had a "disastrous" health experience with the AstraZeneca vaccine and blamed “the propaganda” for overstating the safety of the vaccine.
Clapton: “I took the first jab of AZ and straight away had severe reactions which lasted ten days. I recovered eventually and was told it would be twelve weeks before the second one.
“About six weeks later I was offered and took the second AZ shot, but with a little more knowledge of the dangers. Needless to say the reactions were disastrous, my hands and feet were either frozen, numb or burning, and pretty much useless for two weeks, I feared I would never play again, (I suffer with peripheral neuropathy and should never have gone near the needle.) But the propaganda said the vaccine was safe for everyone…”
“I continue to tread the path of passive rebellion and try to tow the line in order to be able to actively love my family, but it’s hard to bite my tongue with what I now know.”

And once he spoke his mind, how did his fellow musicians react? Clapton: “I’ve tried to reach out to fellow musicians."
“I just don’t hear from them anymore. My phone doesn’t ring very often. I don’t get that many texts and emails anymore. It’s quite noticeable.” He said he now feels “ostracised” after speaking out.

I got both shots of the Pfizer vaccine as soon as I could. I encouraged my family members and I everyone I know to do likewise. But I would not bully and mock those who choose not to. I am betting that the vaccine I got is safe, but who knows the future effects. 1 year ago, most of the major news outlets said that it was a crazy conspiracy theory that the virus started in a Wuhan lab. Now . . . not so crazy.

And this week, Bruce Springsteen announced a series of shows in NYC starting next week. But you must have proof of vaccination to attend. But proof of receiving the AZ vaccine will not be accepted.
 

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I wouldn’t bully anyone either, but they shouldn’t be able to hold the world hostage.

It was a mistake for politicians to set thresholds like 70 percent vaccinated to open things like borders.

It should have been an Or test. 70 percent vaccinated or One Month After The Vaccine is Available to Virtually Everyone.

An equally interesting question is whether government and insurance subsidies should be equally available to the unvaccinated and the vaccinated if they catch Covid.
Because covid was always political. The politicians turned it into about politics. Government should never be involved in this. These things should be left to doctors.
 
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Eric Clapton had a "disastrous" health experience with the AstraZeneca vaccine and blamed “the propaganda” for overstating the safety of the vaccine.
Clapton: “I took the first jab of AZ and straight away had severe reactions which lasted ten days. I recovered eventually and was told it would be twelve weeks before the second one.
“About six weeks later I was offered and took the second AZ shot, but with a little more knowledge of the dangers. Needless to say the reactions were disastrous, my hands and feet were either frozen, numb or burning, and pretty much useless for two weeks, I feared I would never play again, (I suffer with peripheral neuropathy and should never have gone near the needle.) But the propaganda said the vaccine was safe for everyone…”
“I continue to tread the path of passive rebellion and try to tow the line in order to be able to actively love my family, but it’s hard to bite my tongue with what I now know.”

And once he spoke his mind, how did his fellow musicians react? Clapton: “I’ve tried to reach out to fellow musicians."
“I just don’t hear from them anymore. My phone doesn’t ring very often. I don’t get that many texts and emails anymore. It’s quite noticeable.” He said he now feels “ostracised” after speaking out.

I got both shots of the Pfizer vaccine as soon as I could. I encouraged my family members and I everyone I know to do likewise. But I would not bully and mock those who choose not to. I am betting that the vaccine I got is safe, but who knows the future effects. 1 year ago, most of the major news outlets said that it was a crazy conspiracy theory that the virus started in a Wuhan lab. Now . . . not so crazy.

And this week, Bruce Springsteen announced a series of shows in NYC starting next week. But you must have proof of vaccination to attend. But proof of receiving the AZ vaccine will not be accepted.
What you are describing is Guillain Barre Syndrome, another nasty side effect of the AstraZeneca vaccine. All those naive people who believe and trust their government heeded the call of the government and got the vaccine without thinking or even questioning it. Like I wrote in another post these vaccines are not FDA approved which means they never went through complete phase 3 trials. Data was unavailable. They took it and many got the nasty side effects. These people were kind of like lab rats now all the reactions are coming out and up to now they got no idea what is causing it. That does not give me much faith in the government. I am a skeptic and will ask question after question. I will not bow down to the government. More things might be discovered as more data becomes available. They knew there would be nasty reactions but they were desperate to stop the spread of covid so they did it knowing that things will happen. My only beef is the way they are downplaying the the reactions and how they keep on saying they are safe. I do not believe they are entirely safe. Time will tell the full long term effects of these vaccines. More importantly when September arrives, we will know if these vaccines really work. Btw they are talking about the delta variant so a fourth wave is in the works. You last sentence described how political this is. AstraZeneca is not for profit which is the only reason I can think they are doing this. Probably they are being influenced by the government who is getting money from the pharma companies.
 

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I wouldn’t bully anyone either, but they shouldn’t be able to hold the world hostage.

It was a mistake for politicians to set thresholds like 70 percent vaccinated to open things like borders.

It should have been an Or test. 70 percent vaccinated or One Month After The Vaccine is Available to Virtually Everyone.

An equally interesting question is whether government and insurance subsidies should be equally available to the unvaccinated and the vaccinated if they catch Covid.
It is a tough call for all governments when to open borders.
I am sure they are getting tremendous amount of pressure from all kind of lobby groups to do it.
Like most I can’t wait for the borders to open so that I can visit family and friends and go on vacations.

I doubt that insurance subsidies and claims will be paid by insurance companies for people who have not been vaccinated and I am not sure if they should. Insurance companies are there to make a profit and unless governments force this on them for sure they will not pay out to non vaccinated people if they get covid.
 
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Chouin95

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Lâchez le morceau les boys… C’est fini la Covid vous le voyez pas?!?
On va être obligé de porter des masques partout comme des épais pendant des mois en se faisant blaster de la publicité vaccin en boucle à la journée longue sur toutes les chaîne tout le temps, sans exception.
Ouais la covid est terminée mais le gong show lui, est loin de l’être. Vive Arruda, vive le Purell, vive Astra-Zeneca et le plus important de tous VIVE L’ÉTAT D’URGENCE SANITAIRE.
 

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Lâchez le morceau les boys… C’est fini la Covid vous le voyez pas?!?
On va être obligé de porter des masques partout comme des épais pendant des mois en se faisant blaster de la publicité vaccin en boucle à la journée longue sur toutes les chaîne tout le temps, sans exception.
Ouais la covid est terminée mais le gong show lui, est loin de l’être. Vive Arruda, vive le Purell, vive Astra-Zeneca et le plus important de tous VIVE L’ÉTAT D’URGENCE SANITAIRE.

La différence entre générations : les boomers prennent leurs conseils Covid d'Arruda. Les jeunes prennent leurs conseils de leurs influenceurs Instagram
 

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Apparently other respiratory illnesses were down by 30-40% all over Canada during the pandemic.
They attribute this mostly to all the precautions like wearing masks washing hands and social distancing.
People with serious respiratory problems are not being infected, not getting the flu and don’t end up in emergency wards. They now have the perfect recipe to follow even once covid is over.
 

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Oui, mais vieux veut aussi dire fermé a des nouvelles idées donc immunisé a l'influence des réseaux sociaux
Si c"était si simple... Il y a des jeunes cons et des vieux cons. Comme le chantait Brassens:
Le temps ne fait rien à l'affaire
Quand on est con, on est con
Qu'on ait 20 ans, qu'on soit grand-père
Quand on est con, on est con...
Je suis ouvert aux nouvelles idées, double vacciné, je porte mon masque et respecte les autres en respectant la distanciation sociale. Je préfère m'informé sur de multiples sources qui ont des faits pour supporter ce qu'elles avancent et je me fais ma propre idée. Dans quelle case voulez-vous me cantonner? On trouve de tout sur les réseaux sociaux, le meilleur et le pire. Après tout, ce sont des humains qui les alimentent, avec leurs qualités et leurs défauts. ;)
 
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Sadly:

White House says US will fall short of July 4th vaccination goals​

 
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Morgan Stanley's New York office bans unvaccinated staff and clients​

J'entends déjà certains crier LIBARTÉ! Criez tant que vous voudrez, vous n'avez qu'à vous comporter en adulte responsable et vous retrouverez vos privilèges. Misère, on dirait que je m'adresse à des ados.
La situation est sérieuse, ce n'est pas un jeu. Fini le niaisage!
 
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gallantca

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I don't get it, if you can get the mRNA vaccine like PFizer why wouldn't you ?

It comes down to some people thinking the risk of the vaccine is greater than the risk of Covid.

You make the decision with the data you have. Unfortunately some people are making the decision with bad data.
 
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Morgan Stanley's New York office bans unvaccinated staff and clients​

J'entends déjà certains crier LIBARTÉ! Criez tant que vous voudrez, vous n'avez qu'à vous comporter en adulte responsable et vous retrouverez vos privilèges. Misère, on dirait que je m'adresse à des ados.
La situation est sérieuse, ce n'est pas un jeu. Fini le niaisage!
Retrouverez vos privilèges… du gros n’importe quoi.
On est l’été, les gens sont vaccinés et la covid est terminée, wrapée, FINIE.
Donc je lance l’invitation, demain soir la ville de Montréal se réunie au Temple Bell pour la plus grandiose célébration Game 6 des Habs/ St-Jean-Baptiste depuis très longtemps! Venez en grand nombre! (aucun masque obligatoire)
 
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