Disturbing Tendencies at Agencies

[Fradi]

I posted an example of it earlier in the thread. All the white guys who didn't get scholarship offers for the 30 years John Thompson coached Georgetown and recruited exclusively black players in order to promote opportunities for them, but not white guys. Post 205 FYI

I would argue that black players just happen to be much better basketball players and he wanted a winning team.i am not a huge basketball fan but even with my limited knowledge it is obvious that the majority of the best players are black and we’ll deserve to be at the top based on their skills.
Now if his teams were always at the tail end of the league then I would question both his motives and judgement.

 

[EagerBeaver]

African Americans, despite being a racial minority, have made up the majority of NCAA and NBA players since the 1970s and 1980s. In 2023, they represented 14% of the U.S. population but accounted for 70% of the NBA, a fact that is unrelated to preferential hiring or reverse racism. Thompson's preferential recruiting could be interpreted as virtue-signaling, affirmative action, or discrimination. However, it was arguably in effect a self-serving strategy that benefitted the Hoyas' win percentage to target talented Black players for recruitment—most of whom probably would have been selected anyway based on merit alone, making this an imperfect example.

All of that is true but Thompson recruited 100% black players for a long period of time and that's just not typical basketball roster construction. Yes it's a black dominated sport, but 100% black rosters, except at the historically black colleges, are and were very rare. In the 1985 NCAA championship game, Thompson's Georgetown team was historically upset by huge underdog Villanova, which shot an unthinkable NCAA record 78% against the defensively superlative Georgetown. What Villanova had on their team is exactly the player Georgetown lacked, white sharpshooter Harold Jensen. That year in particular, Georgetown had the best team in college basketball, and I saw them in person several times as I was in college at that time.

Villanova wins NCAA basketball title in stunning upset | April 1, 1985 | HISTORY

On April 1, 1985, in one of the most shocking upsets in college basketball history, Villanova beats heavily favored, Patrick Ewing‑led Georgetown, 66‑64, to win the NCAA basketball title. The Wildcats, led by Dwayne McClain’s 17 points, execute a perfect game plan and shoot 79 percent from the...

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[Carl.is.Jung]

Don’t you have about a couple more million friends to name from different nationalities.

Sorry Fradi, didn't meant to upset you. Your feelings matter to me.

 

[Toto beefcake]

Don’t you have about a couple more million friends to name from different nationalities.

LMFAOOOO LMFAOOOO

 

[EagerBeaver]

I would argue that black players just happen to be much better basketball players and he wanted a winning team.i am not a huge basketball fan but even with my limited knowledge it is obvious that the majority of the best players are black and we’ll deserve to be at the top based on their skills.
Now if his teams were always at the tail end of the league then I would question both his motives and judgement.

That's all true and he had excellent teams but they lacked a little bit in the shooting department, and there were 2 seasons in particular where if he had a couple of white sharpshooters that he hadn't recruited championships may not have been left on the table. Thompson's teams were known for their defensive relentlessness, but they got caught in a halfcourt tempo game with Villanova in 1985 and that Georgetown team lacked shooting on the perimeter. This was particularly important because in basketball teams that have designated shooters can space the floor so the opponent cannot sag inside and clog the lane. Villanova executed a perfect game plan against a vastly superior Georgetown team in that regard, shot 78% which was a record, but that game plan is foiled if Georgetown had a knockdown shooter like Steve Alford at the time.

 

[Michelle Gunn]

I think it is better this way.
At least now you know who is a racist and who is not ( in some cases it could be that they don’t want to run into relatives or friends).
It is better than booking someone and then being rejected and humiliated at the door.
At the end of the day whether you think it is racist or not everybody does have a choice as to who they want to be intimate with client and SP.
The difference is that a racist client will not book anyone he doesn’t like and you will never know about it.
Luckily there is still enough choices for every one.

Hey @Fradi
I never said anyone was unlucky for living in Canada, and not at war, especially not my white fat ass.

And to bring it back to the beginning of this train wreck of a thread, I agree with every point you made here as the very first person to respond to the OP.

 

[Fradi]

Sorry Fradi, didn't meant to upset you. Your feelings matter to me.

Nah I am quite comfortable with who I am and way too old to change.
I don’t get upset proof is my age. People who let things get to them die young.

 

[EagerBeaver]

, I agree with every point you made here as the very first person to respond to the OP.

Speaking of the OP, he is what I would call the "Demo Guy", because he starts an explosive thread and runs, much like the demolitions experts who blow up buildings. However I think he was intending to start a debate about racism at one agency, rather than spawn yet another unwieldy thread on racism in the industry and generally. So I would say he didn't blow up the intended building but the one next door, sort of like the drone that Hezbollah sent at Netanyahu's house which ended up blowing up his neighbor's house.

 

[Fradi]

That's all true and he had excellent teams but they lacked a little bit in the shooting department, and there were 2 seasons in particular where if he had a couple of white sharpshooters that he hadn't recruited championships may not have been left on the table. Thompson's teams were known for their defensive relentlessness, but they got caught in a halfcourt tempo game with Villanova in 1985 and that Georgetown team lacked shooting on the perimeter. This was particularly important because in basketball teams that have designated shooters can space the floor so the opponent cannot sag inside and clog the lane. Villanova executed a perfect game plan against a vastly superior Georgetown team in that regard, shot 78% which was a record, but that game plan is foiled if Georgetown had a knockdown shooter like Steve Alford at the time.

Like I said with my limited knowledge of basketball and I admit I don’t often watch it unlike the many other sports.
The only white players I remember are John Havlicek and Larry Bird both from the Boston Celtics and both exceptional players but I could name many black players.
There are some sports that they just completely dominate in and deserve to be there they are that good there is no discrimination or racism just skill.

 

[Julia Sky]

14 pages is crazy

 

[urquell]

I started to look at the thread, said fuck this, and decided to skip the word vomit and go back to the OP. There's simply too much pent up whatever making its way out here.

Keeping it simple, and because without really knowing the person you can't know the whys and wherefores of the policy I simply look at it as a restriction, in the same class as other restrictions, and leave it to the girl to decide what her restrictions are and leave it to myself to decide whether I'm willing to go along with them or whether they matter. If not I simply move in to the next provider. Seems pretty simple to me. Many of you guys seem to be heaping an inordinate amount of stress on yourselves racing to the bottom of the rabbit hole for something you're unlikely to be able to affect and which can easily be avoided.

 

[Rebaynia]

Naaaaa.... A true racist would never keep friends with said member of whatever race his bigotry is towards.

The same way a vegetarian wouldn't eat meat only 6 out of seven days.

I think perhaps some of you have other things going on in your lives and maybe just need to spar and vent just for the sake of arguing.

One has to be open to the idea that their view on things may be susceptible to tunnel vision.

My black, and Chinese, and Indian, and Filipino, and Algerian friends are an integral part of my life. But my preference in sexual partners is primarily (but not exclusively) white.

Sorry, but there's no racism here. The same way I prefer chocolate cake over vanilla.

It was less about the calling out preference as I have preferencences too when it comes to my personal life.

But was all about the cliché of I have friends of X race to claim non-racism. I have read what you've written all along. And sounds like similar boat I relate to. You haven't been giving racist vibes to me, it was just the cliché I am friends with i couldn't help spotting.
I blame it on seeing too many comedy shows pointing this very cliche out.

Racism is not exclusive to white people.
There are many black people who are racist against whites and asians or any one that is different to them.
There isn’t any race, ethnicity or colour that is immune to racism or doesn’t have it amongst them

Let’s just agree that it is ugly no matter who practices it.
People should be judged on their actions and behaviour period.

I'm not the one to say white people aren't targets of racism. I know all races including white is targeted as well all over the world, and here too, just not to the same degree here. I actually erased a message I was in the process of writing earlier that had an example of that, because this thread was about racism for MOC, and I didn't want to play flip the scrip. As other races feel targeted they flip it and hate their supressors, and become racist themselves twords them. Every race who has wronged another creates hate and retaliation racism. Hate begets hate. It is a vicious circle.

Just to point out. The providers here on the forum, are on the side of anti-racism we all who have been responding here actively practice love for all races, not even tolerance but true acceptance, and even amongst eachother help correct accidental or ignorant racism by educating ourselves on better practices, of self expression. Unfortunately those who you want to get this message accross to, don't use this forum. The only ones your preaching this racist take to, are other hobbiests. The girl in an agency writing No X race, is not lurking here, or even cares this discussion is happening because of their actions. All the providers here can do is lend a sympathetic ear and do what we do best, and console and make you feel heard, and know we aren't all like these girls publicly refusing to see someone because of where they come from or the color of their skin.

And what I think the issue with what was mentioned earlier is actually the script has been flipped so much, that many white people are also being told they have no right to feel targeted by racism to them now, because of all their ancestors have done to others in the past. But truth is racism isn't good reguardless of who is giving it and who is recieving it.

And only bringing it up now as it has now become a part of the conversation. So my opinion on it isn't out of left field.

And a few of these cultures being pointed out as being targets of genocide and war over seas, are technically counted as white as well. People seem to forget that just because it is overseas in other countries, some are just as white as here, it is just they get refered to by their culture or country instead of the color of their skin.

 

[Fradi]

14 pages is crazy

You are more than wise lol.
This is what we should be concerned about and talking about. Way more fun
“I want to know everything. I want to be everywhere. I want to fuck everyone in the world. I want to do something that matters.

Always wondered where you got this quote from or if you made it up but it is so cool and actually so you and surely if everyone practised this there would be no racism.

 

[Rebaynia]

Btw is this thread about racism or about a woman's right to choose? Seriously. Cuz I would simply start a seperate thread (( )) dedicated to racism.

Think deeply before you answer (and leave your desire to vent out if possible).

This thread is about a woman's right to choose and select her clients, regardless of her "PERSONAL" reasons. No ones' business but hers. Think about it.

Wasn't the reason of this thread how a MOC felt about being discriminated against.

 

[2fast2slow]

I would argue that black players just happen to be much better basketball players and he wanted a winning team.i am not a huge basketball fan but even with my limited knowledge it is obvious that the majority of the best players are black and we’ll deserve to be at the top based on their skills.

geezz... so by that logic I guess white guys ''just happen'' to be better hockey players than black guys? Like its written somewhere in the DNA?

More likely it is cultural and socio-econimicl differences that explain why most pro basketball players are black and most hockey players are white. In the end we are all human with 99.99% shared DNA

 

[Zero_Six]

14 pages is crazy

This thread is what happens when the "Towards the presidential run of 2024" post gets closed.

 

[Fradi]

It was less about the calling out preference as I have preferencences too when it comes to my personal life.

But was all about the cliché of I have friends of X race to claim non-racism. I have read what you've written all along. And sounds like similar boat I relate to. You haven't been giving racist vibes to me, it was just the cliché I am friends with i couldn't help spotting.
I blame it on seeing too many comedy shows pointing this very cliche out.


I'm not the one to say white people aren't targets of racism. I know all races including white is targeted as well all over the world, and here too, just not to the same degree here. I actually erased a message I was in the process of writing earlier that had an example of that, because this thread was about racism for MOC, and I didn't want to play flip the scrip. As other races feel targeted they flip it and hate their supressors, and become racist themselves twords them. Every race who has wronged another creates hate and retaliation racism. Hate begets hate. It is a vicious circle.

Just to point out. The providers here on the forum, are on the side of anti-racism we all who have been responding here actively practice love for all races, not even tolerance but true acceptance, and even amongst eachother help correct accidental or ignorant racism and educate eachother on better practices, of self expression. Unfortunately those who you want to get this message accross to, don't use this forum. The only ones your preaching this racist take to, are other hobbiests. The girl in an agency writing No X race, is not lurking here, or even cares this discussion is happening because of their actions. All the providers here can do is lend a sympathetic ear and do what we do best, and console and make you feel heard, and know we aren't all like these girls publicly refusing to see someone because of where they come from or the color of their skin.

And what I think the issue with what was mentioned earlier is actually the script has been flipped so much, that many white people are also being told they have no right to feel targeted by racism to them now, because of all their ancestors have done to others in the past. But truth is racism isn't good reguardless of who is giving it and who is recieving it.

And only bringing it up now as it has now become a part of the conversation. So my opinion on it isn't out of left field.

And a few of these cultures being pointed out as being targets of genocide and war over seas, are technically counted as white as well. People seem to forget that just because it is overseas in other countries, some are just as white as here, it is just they get refered to by their culture or country instead of the color of their skin.

I think a lot has to do with all the liberal bullshit that white people themselves propagated against themselves.
All this self hatred and wanting to atone for the sins of slavery and what ever sins white people have done throughout the ages and there were many.

Well I have a different take on it.
I don’t hate myself for being white I am not proud of it either I was born that way pure and simple.
Yes I also acknowledge that sometimes I have been in a privileged situation simply because I was white, is that wrong ? Yes of course it is but it is not of my doing just like I had nothing to do with the sins of the past and therefore I do not feel ashamed nor do I think I owe anybody anything other than treating them with kindness and respect if they afford the same courtesy to me.
I will not apologize or feel ashamed for something I had nothing to do with.
Have I been the target of racism, many times, when you have to escape from the country of your birth it is for a reason.
When you live in several countries not speaking the language yes you become a target of racism and hate. but I am sure there are many people in this world that have had it much worse than me.
No country or race or colour is exempt from racism unfortunately, in a way I guess it is the dark side of being human.

 

[EagerBeaver]

More likely it is cultural and socio-econimicl differences that explain why most pro basketball players are black and most hockey players are white. In the end we are all human with 99.99% shared DNA

Its definitely cultural and socioeconomic as to why most pro basketball players are black. I have read that Major League Baseball is concerned by the dwindling percentage of black players at the MLB level, and part of it is that good black athletes choose basketball over baseball, in situations where a choice has to be made. Professional Basketball has spread internationally much more than baseball has, and there is more money to be made in basketball. However, it's not like there are no white players playing basketball. Last year's NCAA Champion Men's Basketball Team UConn Huskies had 3 white starters and 2 black starters. This year's team is likely to have 3 black starters and 2 white starters. All of them are good players. 4 off last year's team were drafted into the NBA, 2 of whom are white (Donovan Clingan and Cam Spencer) and 2 who are black (Tristan Newton and Stephon Castle).

Although blacks playing in MLB have dwindled, Hispanic and Japanese participation is way up, also for cultural reasons. Baseball is extremely popular in the Caribbean and in Japan. The best player in MLB, Shohei Ohtani, is Japanese. I once read a study about why the sport of baseball is so popular in Japan, and the report concluded that the sport resonates with the Japanese very strongly for cultural reasons.

 

[Fradi]

geezz... so by that logic I guess white guys ''just happen'' to be better hockey players than black guys? Like its written somewhere in the DNA?

More likely it is cultural and socio-econimicl differences that explain why most pro basketball players are black and most hockey players are white. In the end we are all human with 99.99% shared DNA

I think it is way too complicated but there are many factors including social- economic, cultural, what sports your relatives excelled at. Where you, live what country you live in.
How many Canadian or American world class cricket players can you name but yes there are way more world class white hockey players than black these are facts.
Now if you take the most popular sport in the world football ( or soccer as it is known here) which is actually played in almost all countries then you will have a good balance with Europeans and South Americans being more dominant because that is where the money is and that is where it is the most popular.
I could go on and on about sports as I am a complete sports fanatic ( not North American sports except for hockey of course)

 

[piecurious]

We have few facts at hand, we are all guessing as to any individual's real reasons, and since no one participating in the thread seems to exclude clients due to race/ethnicity we can only guess. Given the number of profiles I have personally come across that have have those "restrictions", and the fact that I've enjoyed and worked in different facets of Quebec's sex industry for more years than I'll admit, the likelihood of zero percent of these profiles having nothing to do with pure and unadulterated racism is fucking zero. Our "cultural heritage" is racist. I've witnessed more than I need to, and I've had racists try to include me in their whispered unfiltered hate-fest because of my pasty white flesh and blue eyes.
Deal. With. It. Ignoring and denying it doesn't make it go away.

This is well said. Absent a survey of some kind or someone at Euphoria with a race/ethnic-based restriction coming forward to offer an explanation, we aren't privy to the reasons behind anyone's given restriction (nor are we entitled to or owed that information). For that reason, while the discrimination component in the definition of "racism" is evident, I'm hesitant to shame, stigmatize, or malign anyone as "racist" based solely on the available information.

This is a service, yes, but it is rather a unique one due to its intimate nature and the complexities surrounding personal and bodily autonomy, safety—both physical and psychological—and specific power dynamics that may disadvantage the provider. Relatedly, the legal protections and avenues for recourse differ significantly in this context. Therefore, I believe that: 1) service providers should be granted the maximum discretion in choosing their clients, and 2) comparing discrimination in this context to discrimination in other service industries is likely to be a flawed apples and oranges comparison.

While I acknowledge that deep-rooted historical prejudices, unconscious bias, and systemic inequality are significant issues our society must address, I don’t believe that making service providers universally inclusive will make a meaningful dent in resolving these problems. Moreover, expecting them to sacrifice their own interests, which may or may not include mitigating risk to personal safety, to further a utopian vision of "the greater good" is wrong.

That is where I currently stand on this matter; I'm open to changing my mind. Do note that I am a client/non-provider from a racial minority group, so take what I said for what it's worth and sorry to prolong an already drawn-out thread.