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You may want to check your facts on the role Warp played with different manufacturers. You wouldn't have a Moderna, you would have a Pfizer.
The availability of vaccine in Canada, in the early day was 100% thanks to the European union who did not block exports to Canada as some other countries did. So I do thank the EU. They could have been pricks.
Facts are a funny thing, and no, I don't think you'd have Pfizer. You're splitting hairs. Sure, Pfizer made a point to not accept government funding, but they did benefit significantly from a preorder from the US gov't for $2B worth of vaccines. That sure helps when a company reflects on development risk. Also, they along with the others, benefited from their deep working relationships with regulators and the general freeing of political interference. Remember, Warp Speed wasn't just about money. And although Pfizer may not have taken funding, BioNtech had no problems taking $500M from the German government, arguably programs inspired by Warp Speed. The US generally leads, emboldens the rest of the world, who then follows.

As for exports, you're talking about transport logistics, not the vaccine itself. I don't believe there was a chance in hell the vaccine could have hit the market so quickly without Warp Speed, inspired in part by Trumps obsession to solve for covid which was the only thing standing in the way of his re-election. I question if another President would have had the motivation to move so quickly, least of all the Dems currently running the White House.

Decades from now, history will not remember these obsessions, the drinking of bleach, wearing or not wearing a mask, or how many feet we stayed apart. I think it will remember Warp Speed, the vaccine and how quickly it saved the world.
 
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The very use of the term "Warp Speed" is another manifestation of the impact that Star Trek and Captain Kirk had on our society. Like Galileo when he said the Earth is not flat, I was laughed at and ridiculed for suggesting the cultural impact of the show by many in that other thread discussing William Shatner's fame. Yet here we are, in 2021, using a term that Shatner's character brought into the public consciousness first in the mid 1960s, and then in this 1982 film classic:
The fact that a national vaccination program was named after a Star Trek plot element essentially popularized by William Shatner should show everyone exactly how imbued that show is on the national consciousness.
 
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Facts are a funny thing, and no, I don't think you'd have Pfizer. You're splitting hairs. Sure, Pfizer made a point to not accept government funding, but they did benefit significantly from a preorder from the US gov't for $2B worth of vaccines. That sure helps when a company reflects on development risk. Also, they along with the others, benefited from their deep working relationships with regulators and the general freeing of political interference. Remember, Warp Speed wasn't just about money. And although Pfizer may not have taken funding, BioNtech had no problems taking $500M from the German government, arguably programs inspired by Warp Speed. The US generally leads, emboldens the rest of the world, who then follows.

As for exports, you're talking about transport logistics, not the vaccine itself. I don't believe there was a chance in hell the vaccine could have hit the market so quickly without Warp Speed, inspired in part by Trumps obsession to solve for covid which was the only thing standing in the way of his re-election. I question if another President would have had the motivation to move so quickly, least of all the Dems currently running the White House.

Decades from now, history will not remember these obsessions, the drinking of bleach, wearing or not wearing a mask, or how many feet we stayed apart. I think it will remember Warp Speed, the vaccine and how quickly it saved the world.

Pfizer took significant pre-orders from many countries, not just the US.

Did Warp speed accelerate things? Absolutely. Not only that, had Pfizer failed, other vaccines may have succeeded thanks to the program. Warp speed was a success in accelerating vaccine development. But to say we wouldn't have vaccines today with Warp Speed is wrong. It's completely appropriating other people's accomplishments, which wouldn't be a novelty for the former President.

As for transport logistics, Warp Speed was supposed to also handle distribution of vaccine. If we remember correctly it was a giant fiasco in the early days of availability. Oops, forgot we needed to distribute it.

The US horded all vaccine produced in the US. You absolutely have the right to do so, but don't claim you saved the world. If we have someone to thank, and we do, it's Europe.

Warp speed was a success, but it's both arrogant and full of shit to say the world should thank the Republican party for it.

It's also sad that despite the ability to create a vaccine so fast you were unable to convince a significant majority of people to take it. The party that "saved the world" couldn't figure out maybe they should use their own vaccine. Dems won't make the vaccine Trump's legacy, nor will the Republicans. Trumps legacy with Covid will be dismal failure.
 
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But to say we wouldn't have vaccines today with Warp Speed is wrong. It's completely appropriating other people's accomplishments, which wouldn't be a novelty for the former President.

Warp speed was a success, but it's both arrogant and full of shit to say the world should thank the Republican party for it.

It's also sad that despite the ability to create a vaccine so fast you were unable to convince a significant majority of people to take it. The party that "saved the world" couldn't figure out maybe they should use their own vaccine. Dems won't make the vaccine Trump's legacy, nor will the Republicans. Trumps legacy with Covid will be dismal failure.
Once the fog of anger clears from your eyes, re-read my post. I never said we wouldn't have vaccines without WS, but I did reference not having Pfizer in the same context YOU referenced not having Moderna, in whatever context you meant that.

Also never said we should thank anyone, but only that we should recognize how quickly it came to market due to the President at-the-times personal agenda.

Nor do I believe the Republicans saved the world. I do believe, and I'll say it again, that history will only remember Warp Speed, the vaccine and how quickly it (it = vaccine) saved the world.

And it's interesting how, from my opinions, you reference me as 'YOU' with the labels that followed.

If arrogance could only look into a mirror ... who would it see.
 

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Once the fog of anger clears from your eyes, re-read my post. I never said we wouldn't have vaccines without WS, but I did reference not having Pfizer in the same context YOU referenced not having Moderna, in whatever context you meant that.

Also never said we should thank anyone, but only that we should recognize how quickly it came to market due to the President at-the-times personal agenda.

Nor do I believe the Republicans saved the world. I do believe, and I'll say it again, that history will only remember Warp Speed, the vaccine and how quickly it (it = vaccine) saved the world.

And it's interesting how, from my opinions, you reference me as 'YOU' with the labels that followed.

If arrogance could only look into a mirror ... who would it see.

Apologies if I put you in the same category as a few others I was trying to respond to
 

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The very use of the term "Warp Speed" is another manifestation of the impact that Star Trek and Captain Kirk had on our society. Like Galileo when he said the Earth is not flat, I was laughed at and ridiculed for suggesting the cultural impact of the show by many in that other thread discussing William Shatner's fame. Yet here we are, in 2021, using a term that Shatner's character brought into the public consciousness first in the mid 1960s, and then in this 1982 film classic:
The fact that a national vaccination program was named after a Star Trek plot element essentially popularized by William Shatner should show everyone exactly how imbued that show is on the national consciousness.
Captain Kirk for president in warp speed time.
Beam him to the Whitehouse.
 

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And I remember him stupidly suggesting bleach....and largely contributing to COVID deaths through his denials, lies and ignorance. Trump and the Republican Party deserve absolutely NO credit for doing anything other than turning COVID into an American tragedy far worse than it needed to be...and many contemptible Republican politicians are still causing great harm by spreading their web of lies, ignorance and horseshit.
 

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The last election was very much about COVID and how Brandon was going to do a better job at saving American lives. Brandon has shit the bed on that one. 2021 isn't even over yet and we have already surpassed the deaths from 2020. More people have died under Brandon's watch due to COVID even though we have more tools to fight against it than under the previous administration. Crime is very much a problem in Democratic states and cities yet Brandon and his cronies are more concerned about bail reform and setting criminals free to do more crimes. While progressives continue to rule the current landscape they are giving an easy victory for Republicans in the mid terms and the upcoming presidential election. Supply shortages, gas prices, inflation at a 40 year high, etc. are all things that are in American's faces every single day. Hard not to know about this even though the fake news continues to ignore it. The USA has gone too far to the left and a correction to the center wont be enough for the independents and the Republican base. They will be going full conservative in the upcoming elections and it will be a welcomed by many who are sick and tired of the riots, crime, inflation, COVID fear mongering, mask mandates, etc. Americans have had enough of the bullshit and will use one of the most valuable rights we have, our vote. The laughing and sad memes will not cancel out the voters, it only goes to show how much you really don't understand what is going on with your neighbors to the south. You can bitch and moan about the previous administration until your blue in the face, but the red wave is coming, so sit back and enjoy the show.




 

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The last election was very much about COVID and how Brandon was going to do a better job at saving American lives. Brandon has shit the bed on that one. 2021 isn't even over yet and we have already surpassed the deaths from 2020. More people have died under Brandon's watch due to COVID even though we have more tools to fight against it than under the previous administration. Crime is very much a problem in Democratic states and cities yet Brandon and his cronies are more concerned about bail reform and setting criminals free to do more crimes. While progressives continue to rule the current landscape they are giving an easy victory for Republicans in the mid terms and the upcoming presidential election. Supply shortages, gas prices, inflation at a 40 year high, etc. are all things that are in American's faces every single day. Hard not to know about this even though the fake news continues to ignore it. The USA has gone too far to the left and a correction to the center wont be enough for the independents and the Republican base. They will be going full conservative in the upcoming elections and it will be a welcomed by many who are sick and tired of the riots, crime, inflation, COVID fear mongering, mask mandates, etc. Americans have had enough of the bullshit and will use one of the most valuable rights we have, our vote. The laughing and sad memes will not cancel out the voters, it only goes to show how much you really don't understand what is going on with your neighbors to the south. You can bitch and moan about the previous administration until your blue in the face, but the red wave is coming, so sit back and enjoy the show.




You hit the nail on the head. Some here insist Trump and the Republicans are traitors but the real traitors to America are the Dems and their current puppet leader. They align themselves with petty criminals and domestic terrorists while demonizing the police and law-abiding gun owners. Plus they continue to push for totalitarian measures in the name of health protection. They refuse to control the southern border. They are against what America stands for and if this were 1776 George Washington would kick their asses. It seems like the agenda of Brandon & Co. is to turn the USA into some kind of third world hell hole.
Thank God people are pushing back.
The Republicans aren't perfect but at least they have always stood for American values.
You guys could really use another Teddy Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan, or yes, Donald J. Trump right now.
 
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Very simple question, answer yes or no

Does Trump meet the minimum ethical standard for a president of the united states ?

Simple yes or no.
Yes he does.
The Russia Russia Russia investigation turned up nothing.
Unlike Brandon he seems to love America and he still has all his marbles.
Can you honestly say the USA would be worse off if he were still President?
 
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Yes he does.
The Russia Russia Russia investigation turned up nothing.
Unlike Brandon he seems to love America and he still has all his marbles.
Can you honestly say the USA would be worse off if he were still President?

I think there is a minimum standard of ethics and competence to be President.

Does the current President meet that of competence ? Let's just say I believe he is past his "best by" date.

We all have a threshold of what that minimum bar is and how much are we willing to compromise.

I would say neither should be re-elected and it's inconceivable re-electing either knowing what you know.
 
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Yes he does.
The Russia Russia Russia investigation turned up nothing.
Unlike Brandon he seems to love America and he still has all his marbles.
Can you honestly say the USA would be worse off if he were still President?
No, (Like Purplem said) And I remember him stupidly suggesting bleach, don't forget UV light inside our bodies.
 

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What happend to republican sob Matt Gaetz and Josh Hawley ?
Gaetz is still in Congress. Evidently he set up his buddy Joel, who was the money man, to take the fall for their actions. The lesson to be learned here is that if you are engaged in party shenanigans with a buddy, make sure he handles all the money paid to escorts and all transactions are in his name so that plausible deniability can be used.
Meanwhile, the dude who guaranteed a pardon for Gaetz in exchange for a payment of $25 million by Gaetz's father was convicted of extorting the father:
So basically Gaetz's friend is doing time and taking the fall for their shenanigans. while the guy who claimed he could get a pardon for Gaetz for $25 million is joining the friend in jail. Meanwhile, Gaetz is still working at his job as US Representative for Florida.

Regarding Hawley, he is still in the U.S. Senate, and these days his important issue, and one with which he is most closely identified, is saving masculinity:
 
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Very simple question, answer yes or no

Does Trump meet the minimum ethical standard for a president of the united states ?

Simple yes or no.
Is there someone who follow the Jan 6th
Select Comitte ?
You would see that Trump has corrupted the Republican Party with his proclamation of The Big Lie.
That the 2020 election was stolen. All the votes recount proved that it was all false.
But as we say, blind people can't see the truth even at their nose tip.
 

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Trump, Pence, Hawley, Cawthorn, Boebert, Gaetz, M.T. Greene, Gohmert, Jordan, Cruz, Graham, McConnell, Ron Johnson, De Santis, Abbott, Nunes...and SO many other Republicans: I wouldn't trust a single one of them. The party of lies, ignorance, hatred, stupidity, racism, voter suppression, denial of science, love of guns, corrupt police, attempted coups, treason, conspiracy theories, voter intimidation, the party against a woman's right to choose, the party guilty of all that and SO many other sins. The party that if politically successful might ultimately destroy whatever sense of democracy still survives in the formerly great USA. The party that tried to do exactly that on January 6th and that has been trying to rewrite history every since that shameful day. The party of garbage!
 

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Let’s not forget it’s the party that will take back the house and senate and most likely the White House because of people that don’t believe the bullshit posts like the one above. Laughing and sad memes soon to follow.
 
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