How will the American Tariffs affect the Hobby?

[Mandouke]

How will the American tariffs affect the hobby?

There will be many job losses within a few short weeks because of the tariffs, will yours be one of them?

Will the tariffs ultimately affect the cost of hobbying?

Will the price of hobbying, increase or decrease?

Are the SPs ready to deal with the aftermath of the tariffs and how it will affect their bottom line?

 

[Like_It_Hot]

Interesting question. If economy is badly affected with lost of jobs and cost of living rising, SP will see the demand diminishes and they will have to lower their prices.
So for hobbyist not affected or less affected there might be opportunities to get more for their bucks.
I heard today that if US buy less of our oil, there might be a surplus here and prices could go down.
So there will be a lot of losers but some winners also.

 

[vwjf]

Like anything else. Good clients will keep good Sp's and keep treating them the same. I hope.

Good Sp's with whom you gave good connection will still be busy and booked.

I see little change in that regard

 

[Mandouke]

I see little change in that regard

I can only hope that you are right.....many Canadian jobs exist because of unfettered free trade.

If for example, the auto industry in Southern Ontario collapses as is being predicted within a week, that alone would have a massive effect on the economy.

Think about the types of industries that would be affected here in Quebec because of the tariffs. If these industries experience sudden and deep layoffs, there will be a significant shift in the supply and demand of the hobby, no doubt about it.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Again, the reasons for this are not economic, Trump has stated it is due to Canadian negligence in allowing illegal drugs and specifically fentanyl into the USA, causing many overdose deaths, including that of rock star Prince, a beloved American musician:

Imposing Duties to Address the Flow of Illicit Drugs Across Our National Border – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the

www.whitehouse.gov

"Canada has played a central role in these challenges, including by failing to devote sufficient attention and resources or meaningfully coordinate with United States law enforcement partners to effectively stem the tide of illicit drugs.

Drug trafficking organizations (DTOs) are the world’s leading producers of fentanyl, methamphetamine, cocaine, and other illicit drugs, and they cultivate, process, and distribute massive quantities of narcotics that fuel addiction and violence in communities across the United States. These DTOs often collaborate with transnational cartels to smuggle illicit drugs into the United States, utilizing clandestine airstrips, maritime routes, and overland corridors."

What Trump wants is better policing of the borders so the flood of these drugs into the USA is stopped. He wants Canada to play ball with US federal law enforcement and is using the tariffs to induce cooperation that was not obtained by asking Canada, nicely, to play ball. As soon as Canada starts to cooperate as they have been asked, the tariffs will be reduced or eliminated.

This is absolutely no different than the neighbor who lives next door and continually lets his dog take shits in your yard. You ask him nicely not to let the dog shit in your yard. He doesn't stop. At that point you send him a bill for the clean up costs so he can pay for the damage.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Interesting question. If economy is badly affected with lost of jobs and cost of living rising, SP will see the demand diminishes and they will have to lower their prices.

That will never happen. If demand diminishes enough, a lot of SPs will just leave the business. Probably the Leolist SP scammers will remain.

 

[gll]

Again, the reasons for this are not economic, Trump has stated it is due to Canadian negligence in allowing illegal drugs and specifically fentanyl into the USA, causing many overdose deaths, including that of rock star Prince, a beloved American musician:

Imposing Duties to Address the Flow of Illicit Drugs Across Our National Border – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the

www.whitehouse.gov

"Canada has played a central role in these challenges, including by failing to devote sufficient attention and resources or meaningfully coordinate with United States law enforcement partners to effectively stem the tide of illicit drugs.

Drug trafficking organizations (DTOs) are the world’s leading producers of fentanyl, methamphetamine, cocaine, and other illicit drugs, and they cultivate, process, and distribute massive quantities of narcotics that fuel addiction and violence in communities across the United States. These DTOs often collaborate with transnational cartels to smuggle illicit drugs into the United States, utilizing clandestine airstrips, maritime routes, and overland corridors."

What Trump wants is better policing of the borders so the flood of these drugs into the USA is stopped. He wants Canada to play ball with US federal law enforcement and is using the tariffs to induce cooperation that was not obtained by asking Canada, nicely, to play ball. As soon as Canada starts to cooperate as they have been asked, the tariffs will be reduced or eliminated.

This is absolutely no different than the neighbor who lives next door and continually lets his dog take shits in your yard. You ask him nicely not to let the dog shit in your yard. He doesn't stop. At that point you send him a bill for the clean up costs so he can pay for the damage.

beav, that is such a bunch of bs. compared to the mexican border almost nothing comes in through canada. and why are we continually blaming the suppliers, maybe all those buying drugs should take some blame- dont you think. when this was heroin affecting intercity blacks we werent blaming the suppliers, we were throwing the blacks in jail for possession. now that its opiates affecting white rural maga folk, its all the fault of the suppliers. if there was no demand the drugs wouldnt be coming in.

 

[Mandouke]

That will never happen. If demand diminishes enough, a lot of SPs will just leave the business. Probably the Leolist SP scammers will remain.

Spot on! We will see a radical change in the industry if the tariffs have staying power.

 

[vwjf]

Again, the reasons for this are not economic, Trump has stated it is due to Canadian negligence in allowing illegal drugs and specifically fentanyl into the USA, causing many overdose deaths, including that of rock star Prince, a beloved American musician:

Imposing Duties to Address the Flow of Illicit Drugs Across Our National Border – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the

www.whitehouse.gov

"Canada has played a central role in these challenges, including by failing to devote sufficient attention and resources or meaningfully coordinate with United States law enforcement partners to effectively stem the tide of illicit drugs.

Drug trafficking organizations (DTOs) are the world’s leading producers of fentanyl, methamphetamine, cocaine, and other illicit drugs, and they cultivate, process, and distribute massive quantities of narcotics that fuel addiction and violence in communities across the United States. These DTOs often collaborate with transnational cartels to smuggle illicit drugs into the United States, utilizing clandestine airstrips, maritime routes, and overland corridors."

What Trump wants is better policing of the borders so the flood of these drugs into the USA is stopped. He wants Canada to play ball with US federal law enforcement and is using the tariffs to induce cooperation that was not obtained by asking Canada, nicely, to play ball. As soon as Canada starts to cooperate as they have been asked, the tariffs will be reduced or eliminated.

This is absolutely no different than the neighbor who lives next door and continually lets his dog take shits in your yard. You ask him nicely not to let the dog shit in your yard. He doesn't stop. At that point you send him a bill for the clean up costs so he can pay for the damage.

We have literally nothing to do with the fentanyl crisis.

Less than 1% of the fentanyl in the US is from Canadian soil.

The immigration issue : we have an illegal immigration ration surplus when it comes to the borders.

What you stated are pure fabrication.



Also border security od the USA is their problem.

Also.... In the USA, if social conditions and education were more adequate , and the pharmaceutical lobby wasn't as strong, was adequate, fentanyl and other drug uses would be much less.

.

 

[EagerBeaver]

beav, that is such a bunch of bs. compared to the mexican border almost nothing comes in through canada. and why are we continually blaming the suppliers, maybe all those buying drugs should take some blame- dont you think. when this was heroin affecting intercity blacks we werent blaming the suppliers, we were throwing the blacks in jail for possession. now that its opiates affecting white rural maga folk, its all the fault of the suppliers. if there was no demand the drugs wouldnt be coming in.

It's a very good point. The fentanyl problem is a real problem though, and I was just giving Trump's justification. He is expecting Canada and Mexico to do more than they have, to stop the flow of illegal drugs and immigrants.

 

[EagerBeaver]

What you stated are pure fabrication.

I didn't state it, I quoted from the White House press release.

 

[Mandouke]

We have literally nothing to do with the fentanyl crisis.

https://www.thebureau.news/p/prc-na...mand?r=l2dv4&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

 

[Mandouke]

I posted this link above as I think it is relevant to the comment made, however, I would note that the thread was created to better understand the implications of the tariffs on SPs and the hobby.

 

[MCTJ]

I posted this link above as I think it is relevant to the comment made, however, I would note that the thread was created to better understand the implications of the tariffs on SPs and the hobby.

Did rates ever drop would be a good point to start. @EagerBeaver did rates drop during the great recession of 2008?

 

[MCTJ]

Here's my theory: the client base is comprised mostly of men in the top 10% of earners, whose disposable income is not affected during economic downturns. Add to that sex addicts, who like most addicts, will go into debt to fuel their addiction. For these reasons, demand will not be materially affected during economic downturns.

Regarding the supply side, there could be an influx of new sex workers, if their other revenue streams dry up. I know that quite a few SW also work in restaurants and bartending, sectors where revenue drops in difficult times. If supply increase, price would drop.

But again, does this economics 101 reasoning apply to the sex work market? I doubt it.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Did rates ever drop would be a good point to start. @EagerBeaver did rates drop during the great recession of 2008?

I don't remember any rate drops but many agencies had assorted specials during that time period, like severely discounted bookings on multi hour dates. Not on a one hour though. That was also a time period in which agencies were self promoting by staging parties. Eleganza did a party, Devilish did a a few parties, Montreal Girlfriends did a party in 2009. More promotions than anything else.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Less than 1% of the fentanyl in the US is from Canadian soil.

This statement is not verifiable and is most likely not true. I have read that there is a severe fentanyl problem in BC and when there is excess supply it only makes sense that the black markets push that excess supply south where the demand is. This is basic supply side economics that anyone who took a college economics course knows.

All you know is what you have been spoon fed by the Canadian media and such statements are highly untrustworthy jingoistic statements. There are no reliable stats on what is going on in these black markets.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Regarding the supply side, there could be an influx of new sex workers, if their other revenue streams dry up. I know that quite a few SW also work in restaurants and bartending, sectors where revenue drops in difficult times. If supply increase, price would drop.

This is quite possibly true but only if the tariffs last for a prolonged time. I don't think any of you understand that the reason why I posted the White House statement is I I don't really think it will be a long term thing such that these trends will occur. Trump is looking for a quick knee jerk reaction by the Canadians. He didn't hit China with 25% because he knew it's too much for the U.S. Consumer to bear. He knows Canada has a much smaller economy and is expecting they will be intimidated into doing what frankly they probably should be doing in stopping or helping stop the flow of illegal drugs into our northern ports. We will have to see what happens on that. If Polievre becomes Prime Minister I expect him to play ball with Trump and the tariffs will stop.

That's why what I posted really does relate to the the question of how this impacts the escort business. Answer is it will not unless it lasts and I don't really expect it to last. Canada will play ball just like Colombia. This is why:

 

[Fradi]

I think this is all personal and simply a grudge and hatred towards Trudeau. He will never forgive Trudeau bad mouthing him behind his back.
Trump maybe good for the US but he is also an egotistical arrogant asshole who will hold a grudge forever and will definitely retaliate when he has a chance.
I see these tariffs disappearing as soon as Canada gets rid of the lib government.
Will rates go down with SP, nope it never has and it won’t now, maybe some will quit the business but there will always be new ones to take their place.

 

[vwjf]

This statement is not verifiable and is most likely not true. I have read that there is a severe fentanyl problem in BC and when there is excess supply it only makes sense that the black markets push that excess supply south where the demand is. This is basic supply side economics that anyone who took a college economics course knows.

All you know is what you have been spoon fed by the Canadian media and such statements are highly untrustworthy jingoistic statements. There are no reliable stats on what is going on in these black markets.

And where exactly are you getting your trustworthy info from?
Because you have very little to show...