Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning
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The truth is if the police wanted to bust all the agencies in Montreal they could had done so a long time ago. They deliberately CHOSE to let them run business. Maybe because to them its easier to keep an eye on it that way and its safer for the women. The question is "will this situation with XO make them change their stance on this?".
Its 2 different domains but i can draw a parrallel, it remind me a bit of illegal downloading. Everytime a website is busted another open up. They may go after the owner of said site (but never after the users) and a new one will take its place. So lets say they would shut down every major agencies who operate "in the public eye". It wouldn't stop prostitution ... we know this. I think it would become even more dangerous for the women who do not want(or can't) go indy and work in agencies. So these agencies are a bit of a compromise with LE. As long as they don't make waves they are not bothered. But XO crossed that line in multiple ways it seem.
I know its easy for me to say this because i already had decided to stay away from Montreal for a little while, but personally i think the smarter move at this moment would be to refrain from booking incalls. Im not saying outcalls is full proof, but it seem safer to me. You are in your hotel room, the only person that goes in your room is the escort herself. Police COULD send an undercover cop that way probably, but that is much more complicated than operating an incall sting. If the incalls of agencies are under surveillance, its much easier for them to do anything. They won't post officers are every hotels in Montreal ...
Its 2 different domains but i can draw a parrallel, it remind me a bit of illegal downloading. Everytime a website is busted another open up. They may go after the owner of said site (but never after the users) and a new one will take its place. So lets say they would shut down every major agencies who operate "in the public eye". It wouldn't stop prostitution ... we know this. I think it would become even more dangerous for the women who do not want(or can't) go indy and work in agencies. So these agencies are a bit of a compromise with LE. As long as they don't make waves they are not bothered. But XO crossed that line in multiple ways it seem.
I know its easy for me to say this because i already had decided to stay away from Montreal for a little while, but personally i think the smarter move at this moment would be to refrain from booking incalls. Im not saying outcalls is full proof, but it seem safer to me. You are in your hotel room, the only person that goes in your room is the escort herself. Police COULD send an undercover cop that way probably, but that is much more complicated than operating an incall sting. If the incalls of agencies are under surveillance, its much easier for them to do anything. They won't post officers are every hotels in Montreal ...
It's always been safer to book outcall! Not many of you, even the locals posting here, remember that in the 2000s predominately Montreal agencies were running outcalls. The only one I remember runnnig an incall was called "Le Filles de Mr. Jacques", also known as LFMJ. It was only in the 2010s that the incall agencies rose up: Good Girls, Euphoria, XO and a slew of copycats. They all figured out they could make more money with incalls. However I guess the outcall model and learning from the discretion of their historical precessors now is looking good, all of a sudden?
Are we completely forgetting the history of the business here?
Indeed. When i started, there was very few agencies doing incalls. I don't remember "Les filles de Mr Jacques", must have been before my time. But every agencies of the time exept one was outcall only. Devilish/Girls on Fire, MontrealXXXtase (now XXXclusive), Asservissantes, Satin Dreamz, Mtl Sex City, Woman of Passion and then a few more popped out after. Only Nadya VIP was mainly an incall agency that i recall of. Its Goodgirls who changed the model offering incalls. I think the idea was that incall could be seen as a "bordelo" and was more illegal, at least before C-36 or whatever that was call, Outcall was considered almost entirely safe as long as you didn't made "waves" and remain discreet. Even most hotels never cared.
As i said many times i understand the attraction to the incall model on both client and agency pov (clients save money on room, agency book way more calls) but maybe this "appat du gain" is partly responsible for the current situation. I understand even for escorts, incalls may be better (safer as they are in their environement, no getting out in the hot summer or cold winter times, more money since more calls, no waiting in the car etc) but im sure it may take its toll as well to have to do clients "back to back" with only a 15 min break in between... Outcalls kinda feel "more ethical" to me ... But hey maybe its just my POV.
Any old timers remember the agency MTLC busted by the SPVM in 2009 (???)
Même si la police de Montréal (SPVM) les tolère depuis quelques années... (!!!)
In that specific case, biker gang affiliation was alleged.
Même si la police de Montréal (SPVM) les tolère depuis quelques années... (!!!)
In that specific case, biker gang affiliation was alleged.
It was an agency that was catering completely to French locals. They had one of the biggest rosters I have ever seen in Montreal. Their website was totally in French and they were at the time (2002-2005) maybe $140/hour. I never bothered with them as I assumed from their website they would have no English speaking bookers or escorts. They didn't even try to get the tourists at that time, they knew the outcall agencies had them. They focused on French locals and the French locals I spoke to at the time told me they were not for me.
I always love your historical view, EB. And I don’t even know if the Eleganza issues back in the day resulted in the type of hysteria with booking agencies we’re seeing on Merb now, right?
I don't believe the Eleganza arrest got too much media scrutiny. It did have a thread on MERB, but it came to light MUCH later. I think Joe was running Eleganza while John was in jail so the agency was not actually shut down by LE. It continued for a while after the arrest- maybe months or even a year. At the time, it didn't cause too much of a ripple of concern because John apparently was recruiting some girl who was a minor, her parents found the messages or emails and went to the police. It was never clear if John knew the girl was a minor. This is what my memory is of what occurred - I could be wrong.
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Think you hit the nail in the right spot.
As you mentioned; it is not gonna stop.
If they do, the business will go underground, we know this and so does LE.
Stick with the ''devil'' you know.
Unless it is a political agenda. Then, who knows. Time will tell.
by my memory Les FIlles de Mr Jacques was outcall. Used them a few times but I had to rent a room on Saint Jacques Street.
Notable early incall agencies: Private Lies, ABC Softies, ZZ Cream, Plaisirs rebels, Econolodge, and a couple others. I had tried them all.
The first incall agency I ever tried was Private Lies (98-99) I called from a phone booth. I was so nervous I asked the receptionnist about the legality of incalls, to which she did not know what to answer. I had done my research, Outcall was 100% legal, Incall 100% illegal.
I went anyways and saw a girl at the Lord Berri downtown. It was the beginning of a long journey.
LOL this is too funny. BTW you may be right about Les Filles de Mr. Jacques ("LFMJ") but I remember them having an incall component at some point in time.
You’re giving up on agencies because the girl is charging half the price of an independent? Interesting.
That is why I always used agencies.
Contrary to some people here, I will continue to do so.
We live only once, damn it!
Same here not to mention the simplicity in booking. No government ID, no deposit, no LinkedIN, no need to write emails in a way they want you to write to please them, just a simple text and you are off to go. If I stop using agencies, I will surely not use Indys that is for sure.
There is no reason not to use outcall agency bookings.
Plenty of reasons. You have to book a hotel - thus very often nullifying the price advantage to using agencies.
Maybe you don't want SP's coming to your home? Maybe some people have kids or a spouse, etc...
All reasons why people use incall. in and out. Clean and quick.
Doing outcalls make very perfect sense looking at a safety perspective. Especially if you are a traveler coming to Montreal. Also saves times where she comes to you.
Incalls are good too but ONLY if the girl is doing it at a HOTEL and not some apartment/condo owned by the agency/pimp. Doing the apartment/condo is just open target sitting duck move. Would only do this approach if I am a local. When the HDH market was in full swing and Montreal was visiting the major U.S. cities that was the way to go.
I would never let a SP step foot in my place in a transactional date. Now, a few ones have come for social reasons
