the quote must of came from a red sox fan.......... hahahahahahaa ( i left out the bwwwww for you K man) 
The Official MERB 2010 Baseball Thread.
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Panic setting in already in Red Sox land.
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/a...tent_id=9393858&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/a...tent_id=9393858&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos
Hermida Homer Hto Hlittle Hto Hlate...
Jeremy Hermida homered in the Red Sox loss to the Rays as they are swept in Boston by the team to beat in the AL East this year.
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/w....jsp&team=home&gid=2010_04_19_tbamlb_bosmlb_1
Right now there is not too much going too right for baseball in Beantown.
Better days ahead boys!
Have fun,
Jman
Jeremy Hermida homered in the Red Sox loss to the Rays as they are swept in Boston by the team to beat in the AL East this year.
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/w....jsp&team=home&gid=2010_04_19_tbamlb_bosmlb_1
Right now there is not too much going too right for baseball in Beantown.
Better days ahead boys!
Have fun,
Jman
I would not call the Rays the team to beat as they lost 2 of 3 at home to the Yankees and were crushed in their 2 losses to the Yankees. 2 of the Rays' 3 losses on the season were to the Yankees. But, the Rays right now look pretty good.
I am not happy with the Red Sox' very weak performance against the Rays. The idea was for the Red Sox to take at least 2. Now they lost all 4 at home and allowed the Rays to go into 1st place.
I am not happy with the Red Sox' very weak performance against the Rays. The idea was for the Red Sox to take at least 2. Now they lost all 4 at home and allowed the Rays to go into 1st place.
Hello all,
So you are saying no one outside of the NFL has ever run faster than 4.24...lol. BTW...you forgot Rondel Melendez of Atlanta 4.24 in 1999.
It seems that someone wants to prove Ellsbury's 4.2/40 speed is false simply because he is a Yankee fan and the astonishing fact of speed belongs to a Red Sox player or this kind of effort at disproving would definitely not be happening...and the usual Yankee gloat fest would be in full swing.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/07/03/fast_becoming_a_real_favorite/
The crown jewel of the Red Sox minor league system -- playing in his third game in the majors since being called up Saturday -- hasn't run the 40-yard dash since college, when he covered the distance in 4.2 seconds. But you don't need a stopwatch to see the havoc Ellsbury creates on the basepaths -- and he was there four times last night, with two singles and a pair of walks.
He was summoned to temporarily take the place of Coco Crisp in center field, while Crisp nursed the left thumb he injured diving for a fly ball in Seattle. Crisp, who once ran a 4.2 40, hasn't yet challenged Ellsbury to a footrace, but thinks it would be a photo finish.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/09/sports/baseball/09ellsbury.html
There is a lot that he does well, but his main weapon is his speed. Ellsbury, who scored from second on a wild pitch during his brief stay with the Red Sox, has been timed at 4.2 seconds in the 40-yard dash. In 111 games last year at Class A Wilmington and Portland, he stole 41 bases.
Let's get the facts straight first. The 4.2/40 for Ellsbury was clocked when he was in college and his reported best as an MLB player was 4.28. There are those who have run 4.2 40s, so why is it allegedly impossible for Ellsbury to do it. The real problem would only be acceleration since the slowest part of any run attempts, even in the Olympics, are the first 20 yards when the individual must accelerate from a stop. Football players who are typically more muscled and bulky would need more time to accelerate to top speed since the from a purely physics formula (which I have a lot of reason to be familiar with) the greater the mass the more energy and time needed to reach top speed. So with Ellsbury obviously being very fit and compact the time to reach top speed would be naturally less.
Remember, with this 4.2 being recorded in college he would have been at the top of his youthful peak when most like the Olympians set the most records. And don't forget his Native American (Navajo) heritage probably factors in. This ethnic group bred under conditions where the survival of the fittest element would have been more critical only little more than 100 years ago, especially for tribes like the Navajo who lived in the more sparsely provided "Four Corners" region of western U.S. which includes Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, and Colorado. Any of you ever been there. I have. I've driven it and you had better have food, drink, and necessities because there can be 40-50 miles with no civilization in sight.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_is_the_world's_fastest_runner_in_the_40-yard_dash
Regarding the statement that the fastest NFL 40 ever was 4.24..."the fastest 40 ever run by an NFL player, there are lots of players noted to have been clocked around 4.1, such as Darrell Green, Deion Sanders, Raghib Ismail, Joey Galloway to name but a few."
http://www.gridironstuds.com/blog/the-fastest-40-yard-dash-ever/comment-page-1/
It has been said consistently that Darrell Green recorded a time of 4.09 at the Washington Redskins’ training camp in 1986. That’s a hard time to swallow but Green’s obvious speed has been put on display many times while he was in the NFL. Green ran down from significant distances two of the fastest running backs to play in the NFL (Tony Dorsett and Eric Dickerson). Green has said in interviews that the fastest time he has ever been aware of running is 4.15. To his credit, Green does have a verifiable and official time of 10.08 in the 100 meters while he was a college student at Texas A&I University. If anyone could run a sub 4.1 forty, it was Darrell Green. Many sources report a 4.12 forty yard dash time for Bo Jackson...
In my personal experiences, I have seen some sub 4.3 forty yard dashes in my time. Kevin Williams of the University of Miami (1989-92) ran a 4.28 forty yard dash before my own eyes. Former Hurricanes Tremain Mack (4.25) and Al Shipman (4.27) ran sub 4.3 forties before my own eyes. Track star Henry Neal recorded a 4.20 forty yard dash before my own eyes in a workout for the Miami Dolphins in 1996. The Dolphins did not sign Neal since his football background was quite limited. I never watched him run an actual 40 yard dash but after having to cover him in training camp, I am inclined to believe every second of Joey Galloway’s reported 4.18 forty yard dash.
Still, besides all of the above, it's clear some just don't like the idea Ellsbury ever might have ran a 4.2/40 and they are determined to doubt and disprove it. I.E...silly sour grapes. The funny part is Yankee fans are effectively trying to poo poo the only excuse for why Ellsbury beat them to steal home plate...lol. FACE IT! You want him on your team sooooo bad.
Go Jacoby Go,
Merlot
PS
Where's Rumples????????????
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Merlot,
It seems unlikely to me that anyone in MLB, Gardner or Jacoby or anyone else could run a 4.20, period. Deion Sanders' reported best 40 yard dash time is 4.34. Do you think Ellsbury is faster than Deion Sanders in his prime??????????I have no doubt that Ellsbury can run fast but a 4.20 seems exaggerated, nothing more or less. Even the reported time of 4.38 for Gardner is exceptionally fast and beats many if not most NFL wide receivers.
I also doubt that Darrell Green ran a 4.09, although he carried the title of fastest man in the NFL for a few years at least.
Bo Jackson is reported to have run a 4.28, and while this may also be questioned, he was undoubtedly a freak of nature and extremely fast for such a large man.
It seems unlikely to me that anyone in MLB, Gardner or Jacoby or anyone else could run a 4.20, period. Deion Sanders' reported best 40 yard dash time is 4.34. Do you think Ellsbury is faster than Deion Sanders in his prime??????????I have no doubt that Ellsbury can run fast but a 4.20 seems exaggerated, nothing more or less. Even the reported time of 4.38 for Gardner is exceptionally fast and beats many if not most NFL wide receivers.
I also doubt that Darrell Green ran a 4.09, although he carried the title of fastest man in the NFL for a few years at least.
Bo Jackson is reported to have run a 4.28, and while this may also be questioned, he was undoubtedly a freak of nature and extremely fast for such a large man.
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Okay,
Well, if you have doubts about everyone and not just Jacoby then that's fair. I mean, it's not me writing this stuff and the sources I cited were different from each other to provide some minimal cross-verification. For me, the physics of acceleration does make the lowest figures questionable, especially at a shorter distance like 40 yards where peak speed is probably impossible to reach before at least 15 yards. In the end, either we can accept what others report or question it all, but not pick on one person. That's fair.
Cheers,
Merlot
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Merlot,
I think it is all hype unless you line up these guys and race them, like horses. That is the only way to resolve the issue. As far as a race between white guys, I like Gardner's chances against anyone of his race in MLB or in a race against Ellsbury which would be interesting. Right now Ellsbury is hurt, and Gardner is tied for the major league lead in stolen bases (Posedsnik is the one other white guy in the hunt for the SB title as he is tied with Gardner and a few others).
I think it is all hype unless you line up these guys and race them, like horses. That is the only way to resolve the issue. As far as a race between white guys, I like Gardner's chances against anyone of his race in MLB or in a race against Ellsbury which would be interesting. Right now Ellsbury is hurt, and Gardner is tied for the major league lead in stolen bases (Posedsnik is the one other white guy in the hunt for the SB title as he is tied with Gardner and a few others).
guys
who really cares? if i knew it would end up being a silly "war" between Yankees fans and Sox fans i wouldnt of even said it ......... lol, ok , maybe i would have HAHA!.... but seriously, it was a tounge in cheek statement at it's finest. although a race between the 2 guys would be interesting indeed. I will take Joet's odds, Joet, what are they?
who really cares? if i knew it would end up being a silly "war" between Yankees fans and Sox fans i wouldnt of even said it ......... lol, ok , maybe i would have HAHA!.... but seriously, it was a tounge in cheek statement at it's finest. although a race between the 2 guys would be interesting indeed. I will take Joet's odds, Joet, what are they?
Beav,
It was a backhanded thing...you missed my sarcasm...
The Rays do have a young, well balanced squad with pitching. I would not be a bit surprised to see them take the AL East and leave the Red Sox (once they get cranked up) and the Yankees (once they start playing their age) fighting it out for the Wild Card.
Merlot,
Loved the research my friend - very well stated. I am SURE Joe.t will have something equally as intelligent and well founded to say...
Iggy,
No wars...at least not for those of us with opened minds. Read my signature line...
Have fun,
Jman
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Everybody is down on the Sox, article refers to them as "the bumbling Sox", read it and weep Merlot, you too Jman but try to not get too emotional because I didn't wright it.
http://stats.cbc.ca/mlb/recap.asp?g=300419102&final=true
http://stats.cbc.ca/mlb/recap.asp?g=300419102&final=true
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Hey Joe,
Not to worry my man. You see, I have a guarantee from the numbers god that everything will absolutely work out in the end. That would be the world according to Rumples and his Sabermetrics law of baseball physics. Now how could I ever have doubts when we Red Sox fans have all that working for us. Yup, that's me below, just busting with confidence.
Help mommmmmmmy,
Merlot
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Signatures are usually lame on here, although your's is MUCH better than a few other red sox fans sigs ...
You speak of the Yankees age and of them tiring? the only one i could see tiring a little down the stretch is Posada because of the position he plays, but Cervelli is more than likely Posada's replacement in the near future and Girardi will use him if he feels Posada is tiring and a very very good replacement indeed! who else is so old they cant perform? a Mo Rivera who sees no kryptonite in sight (get the superman reference? ), maybe you refer to Jeter or Arod? sorry but there probably in the best shape of their lives and will be fine. who else? CC? young AJ? young Andy P ? remember starting pitchers play every FIVE DAYS, lol........ who else? Swisher? a young man of 29, Tex? nope... sorry to burst your "age" excuse, but Yanks are not as old and depleted as you might like to think, but i will tell you a few guys who are old and seemingly "depleted"
1 Mike Lowell
2.Big "old" Papi (plays much older than his age of 34)
3.Captain Varitek
4.Knuckler Wakefield (grampa)
5.Mike Cameron (didnt realise he was 37 already, wow)
6.JD Drew (a very fragile 34)
7.Scott Schoeneweis
Your argument is pretty much for all intense purposes, irrelevant, but here, this should make you feel better
O wait, i guess you dont qualify for that either......ha! o well.... GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!!
...You speak of the Yankees age and of them tiring? the only one i could see tiring a little down the stretch is Posada because of the position he plays, but Cervelli is more than likely Posada's replacement in the near future and Girardi will use him if he feels Posada is tiring and a very very good replacement indeed! who else is so old they cant perform? a Mo Rivera who sees no kryptonite in sight (get the superman reference?
), maybe you refer to Jeter or Arod? sorry but there probably in the best shape of their lives and will be fine. who else? CC? young AJ? young Andy P ? remember starting pitchers play every FIVE DAYS, lol........ who else? Swisher? a young man of 29, Tex? nope... sorry to burst your "age" excuse, but Yanks are not as old and depleted as you might like to think, but i will tell you a few guys who are old and seemingly "depleted"1 Mike Lowell
2.Big "old" Papi (plays much older than his age of 34)
3.Captain Varitek
4.Knuckler Wakefield (grampa)
5.Mike Cameron (didnt realise he was 37 already, wow)
6.JD Drew (a very fragile 34)
7.Scott Schoeneweis
Your argument is pretty much for all intense purposes, irrelevant, but here, this should make you feel better
O wait, i guess you dont qualify for that either......ha! o well.... GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!!
Iggy,
No wars...at least not for those of us with opened minds. Read my signature line...
Jman
Yea, and that worked out SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO well last season now didnt it? Stats, as a whole, mean Squat, and about as much as Joet ever becoming someones best friend behind the plumber, now that Jman, is a GREAT signature!
Yea, and that worked out SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO well last season now didnt it? Stats, as a whole, mean Squat, and about as much as Joet ever becoming someones best friend behind the plumber, now that Jman, is a GREAT signature!
In the wisdom of Joe.t allow me to add...
And Iggy, you better check some of the Yankees ages you list...
Have fun,
Jman
PS Quit screwing around this is a serious bb thread...
Great article by Jon Paul Morosi of Fox sports who picked the Red Sox to go to the World Series.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Can-Red-Sox-compete-with-Yanks-and-Rays-041910
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Can-Red-Sox-compete-with-Yanks-and-Rays-041910
great article Joe, thanks for the read, thats what this thread needs, more honest baseball talk, got the hint jman? hihi! carry on my good man, and yes we are "having fun"
Signatures are usually lame on here, although your's is MUCH better than a few other red sox fans sigs
Your argument is pretty much for all intense purposes, irrelevant, but here, this should make you feel better
You never cease to amaze me Iggy! LOL. Please explain to me what "intense purposes" are.
On a real baseball note, I know it's still very early but I'm not comfortable at all with the new approach by the Sox with the emphasis on pitching and defense since both have f'n sucked since the start of this debacle 2010. Anyway, as of now, it's not looking good.
Hello Iggy & Joe.t...well of course you guys are the epitome of serious BB talk...who could ever doubt that...
I must say however that this new, serious side is refreshing to see.
And Igs, I believe I summed up Morosi's article in simple terms in post 184 of this thread and was the first to do it...but thanks for the read Joe.t...I am sure you will provide more of the same when the Yankees hit a slow patch in their season...
Hello SK...Calm down buddy, lest we forget last year when the Sox took the first 8 from the Yankees who had a terrible start...it is us who were hearing crickets then...plenty of baseball left...but Tito better stick his foot in someones ass soon...
Have fun,
Jman
I must say however that this new, serious side is refreshing to see.
And Igs, I believe I summed up Morosi's article in simple terms in post 184 of this thread and was the first to do it...but thanks for the read Joe.t...I am sure you will provide more of the same when the Yankees hit a slow patch in their season...
Hello SK...Calm down buddy, lest we forget last year when the Sox took the first 8 from the Yankees who had a terrible start...it is us who were hearing crickets then...plenty of baseball left...but Tito better stick his foot in someones ass soon...
Have fun,
Jman
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