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rumpleforeskiin

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Just one month ago, the Red Sox were stumbling out of the gate and the Yankees were off to a smoking hot start. The Sox (4-9) were 5.5 games behind the Yankees (9-3). In the month since then, both teams have gone 15-11. A lot has gone right, a lot wrong for both teams. What does this portend for the future?

The Sox: Right - Jon Lester has righted the ship and is pitching like the true ace of the staff. The three lead guys in the bullpen have continued to pitch well, despite Jonathan Papelbon blowing his first save since last July 28. The offense is clicking on all gears. JD Drew (1.080 OPS for May), Kevin Youkilis (1.350), and David Ortiz (1.163) are all on fire. While thiskind of production is unsustainable, these guys are all showing that they’re capable of carrying the middle of the order. Jason Varitek (1.209 for the season) is showing that given limited playing time and plenty of rest, he’s still a valuable player.

Wrong - The bullpen after Delcarmen, Bard, and Papelbon sucks. The starting rotation after Buchholz and Lester has fluctuated between erratic and hideous. The outfield defense with Ellsbury and Cameron on the shelf has cost the Sox several games, including the disaster in the Bronx Monday night. Victor Martinez has been useless offensively.

The future - The offense, which was criticized all winter, should continue to be one of the 3-4 best in the league. The defense with the return of Cameron and Ellsbury should be among the best in the league. The return of Ellsbury and Cameron and Martinez starting to hit, should offset the normalizing of Ortiz, Youkilis, and Drew. The season hinges on Beckett righting the ship, Lackey showing a bit more consistency, and Matsuzaka showing a few more flashes of the brilliance he showed against Toronto. It’s all about the starting pitching.

The Yankees - Right - The offense has been carried by Cervelli (.929), Thames (1.024), and Swisher (.915). Four of the starting pitchers have been pitching like Roy Halladay. Alex Rodriguez (.964 for May) and Mark Teixeira (.978 for May) have righted their ships.

Wrong - They appear to have no bullpen. None. After missing two weeks, Mariano Rivera has a blown save and a loss in his last two appearances, allowing 4 runs. He’s 40 years old. The two lefties (Logan and Marte) have WHIPs of 1.50 and 1.82. Joba Chamberlain sucks. Javier Vazquez thinks he’s Dice-K Matsuzaka. Derek Jeter has a .498 OPS for the month of May. He is 36. Jorge Posada has had a series of minor injuries. These wouldn’t be much of a concern if he weren’t 38 and weren’t a catcher. Nick Johnson is Nick Johnson. While Curtis Granderson has been on the shelf, he’s been more than capably replaced by Marcus Thames.

The future - Cloudy - While Pettitte, Hughes, and Burnett are all fine pitchers, none is nearly as good as he’s performed. Can Vazquez turn the corner? Will he even be given the chance? Can they find a bullpen? They should get enough production out of Posada and Granderson when Thames, Cervelli and Swisher return to Earth, though Posada’s age and health will remain a question. Are Rivera and Jeter showing their age or will they return to their former high levels of play?
 

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hes been more than capably replaced by Marcus Thames.

Thames should never see grass, because of plays like this, which have been all too frequent since he was forced into OF action since the Granderson injury:

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8133721&topic_id=8877494&c_id=nyy

He has hit well but to say he is a poor outfielder would be an understatment. The Yankees are now dealing with the chain reaction fallout from the assorted injuries to Granderson, and Swisher. In reality Thames was envisioned to be part of a DH platoon and his skills suggest he is a DH only at this stage of his career.

I do not agree with your assessment of the Yankees bullpen. They have had a few blowups in the last week, which were made to look worse than they actually were because of poor defensive plays at critical moments. I am not too worried about them. Until his last 2 outings, Rivera had not been scored on, but the fact is that before that he had not had any regular work and his history shows he is usually better as the season wears on and he gets his regular work.
 

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Hello All,

Somewhere I read a definition of a bandwagon fan as published by SirIggyButt (the renouned merb author) who stated a bandwagon fan only shows up to talk about his team after they have done won.

Hmmm...can you hear that....

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Crickets...

Well I was all fired up to post and regurgitate back to the pinstripe proud exactly what has been touted by them lately BUT it seems my brethren Merlot and Rumples have done so already - and very well I may add - NICE JOB men!

I will say 3 things:
The Yankee bullpen sucks...always has. There may be hope tho as the addition of the $11.5M Javier Vazquez is sure to bring some stability there. Joba..lolololol...has alway been an overrated punk...period. He has my nomination for MVP of the Sox staff. And Mo...face it boys...he is getting old. He cannot locate his pitches as he once could and you guys all quietly cross your fingers when he comes into a game now. Last 2 outings resulted in a blow save and a loss. Hi, hi...

Marcus Thames...couldn't play outfield on my little league team. His performance shows just how shallow they Yankees bench and farm system really is. Wouldn't you Yankee boys just love to have a QUALITY bench guy like Jeremy Hermida who had another clutch 2 out hit last night to drive in some runs?

Math - The Yankees BLEW a 5 run lead in BOTH games and frankly were lucky enough to split the series...momentum SOX.

I've said it before, I'll say it again ...they play 162 for a reason.

Have fun,

Jman


PS Scutaro SUCKS. I sure hope with the recent events surrounding Hanley Ramirez that Theo is camped close to him and his agent somewhere and ready to make a trade. He just needs to play on a contender and have a little good old fashioned discipline.

PSS Anyone noticed Big Papi's numbers lately...ohhh yeahhh!

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How about them Blue Jays? :D

Doc,

Yup...frankly right now the Jays look a little scary. Now they are hitting to go along with the pitching. Over the season the same question will play out - Can the young pitchers keep up the pace?
The AL east is by far the most competitive division in all of MLB.

Have fun,

Jman
 

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Paps does it!! What an amazing inning for him. Up by a run with runners on 1st & 3rd and 1 out, he fired to the plate and Thames (last nights here but tonights goat following a 9th inning error) took off from first, Miranda rocketed the ball up the middle but the gold glove deserving Papelbon stabbed the laser that was headed for the outfield, looked at 2nd, no play, looked at the plate and Cano was going nowhere he then threw to first for the out, could be play of the year on ESPN Baseball Tonight!! Two out and he fans Randy Winn to preserve the save for the Good Guys!! Unbelieveable job by Papelbon, even the umps were in shock at the way he carved up that laser that was heading up the middle and made the play to retain that 1 run lead. Long live the Pap!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Joba blows!!!!!

Hey Iggy, Beav, Joe.t, where are ya's? Didn't think you could all fit under that rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SK,

Priceless...I believe Candy Andy was spotted using butter knife the other day...lol

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Have fun,

Jman
 
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actually i was playing all day all night in the nyc rain , and after a 18 hour day the last thing i need is to respond to more mindless drivel out of red sox cry-baby fans. you won, congrats as it is not everyday you have a comeback win against the Empire, so enjoy it to the fullest, lets call it your world series for the season :)

and trust me Joman, while you may not be a bandwagon fan in baseball, hockey is another story, now off to play in the chilly nyc weather all day so i can get back home to Mtl, so feel free to post away more about "your" ws victory last night. heh heh

Hello All,

Somewhere I read a definition of a bandwagon fan as published by SirIggyButt (the renouned merb author) who stated a bandwagon fan only shows up to talk about his team after they have done won.

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I do not agree with your assessment of the Yankees bullpen. They have had a few blowups in the last week, which were made to look worse than they actually were because of poor defensive plays at critical moments. I am not too worried about them. Until his last 2 outings, Rivera had not been scored on, but the fact is that before that he had not had any regular work and his history shows he is usually better as the season wears on and he gets his regular work.
You're certainly right about the defense, but, tell me, who in the Yankee bullpen do you actually trust? And you're right about Rivera's great start to the season, but..........he's 40 years old and just spent two weeks on the shelf. Until proven otherwise, he's a question mark. Marte sucks, Logan sucks, Chamberlain sucks, Vazquez sucks.
 

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Marte sucks

He struck out Utley and Howard on 6 straight pitches in the Game 6 of the World Series last year. You can't suck if you can do that. I have never seen back to back 3 pitch strikeouts of hitters of that quality in the World Series. Mike Stanton had a memorable strikeout of David Justice on 3 sweeping curveballs in the 1998 ALCS but I have never seen anyone do it back to back.
 
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actually i was playing all day all night in the nyc rain , and after a 18 hour day the last thing i need is to respond to more mindless drivel out of red sox cry-baby fans. you won, congrats as it is not everyday you have a comeback win against the Empire, so enjoy it to the fullest, lets call it your world series for the season :)

Awwww....poooorrrr wittle iggy was working all day and is upset...Now you see what it's like listening to Yankee idiots fawn all over their beloved bums every time they win a game against the Sox. Pretty pathetic ain't it?!!
 

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He struck out Utley and Howard on 6 straight pitches in the Game 6 of the World Series last year. You can't suck if you can do that.
You know, Beav, you've said a lot of stupid shit in this thread, but you've now taken it to a new level. My congratulations. Utley and Howard are fine players. Fine players who between them struck out 296 times last year. Let me repeat that: 296 fucking punchados between them last year. That's 888 strikes. Every night, every single night last year, Howard and Utley averaged 1.86 Ks between them. Let me repeat myself one more time: Marte sucks.
 
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Hello all,

The Red Sox did it!!!

Man, did i ever speak too fast! I wasn't aware that the game had started late & thought the game was final when i saw the score earlier. And i didn't even bother to check if the game was still on & missed that great ending!!!

Yes, you did! I'd get Joe.t and Iggy to give you a spanky spanky for that...but, I wouldn't trust them with a paddle...lol.

Wrong - The bullpen after Delcarmen, Bard, and Papelbon sucks. The starting rotation after Buchholz and Lester has fluctuated between erratic and hideous. The outfield defense with Ellsbury and Cameron on the shelf has cost the Sox several games, including the disaster in the Bronx Monday night. Victor Martinez has been useless offensively.

First the world turns out to be round, then Rumples gets genuine and says bad things about his team. I can't handle two such epic shocks in just 500 years.

Awwww....poooorrrr wittle iggy was working all day and is upset...Now you see what it's like listening to Yankee idiots fawn all over their beloved bums every time they win a game against the Sox. Pretty pathetic ain't it?!!

Bang on.

You know, Beav, you've said a lot of stupid shit in this thread, but you've now taken it to a new level. My congratulations. Utley and Howard are fine players. Fine players who between them struck out 296 times last year. Let me repeat that: 296 fucking punchados between them last year. That's 888 strikes. Every night, every single night last year, Howard and Utley averaged 1.86 Ks between them. Let me repeat myself one more time: Marte sucks.

So a pitcher can suck even when he strikes out two guys who have a real habit of striking out...300 times. Say...OUCH...EB.

Thames should never see grass, because of plays like this, which have been all too frequent since he was forced into OF action since the Granderson injury:

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8133721&topic_id=8877494&c_id=nyy

Yup, terrible fielding. Now here's something worse. Why didn't someone tell Winn to stop trying to play deep shortstop and move him to...say...actual left field where Hermida's hit over Winn's head in the 9th should have been an easy out. Or should I just say...thanks my man Joe Girardi! Sure puts holes in your genius theory.

Despite the result Monday the Red Sox have really shown both that the Yankees have some real holes on their team, and that the Sox are plenty good enough to do plenty of damage to others on their own.

Cheers,

Merlot
 
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Doc, Yup...frankly right now the Jays look a little scary. Now they are hitting to go along with the pitching. Over the season the same question will play out - Can the young pitchers keep up the pace?
The AL east is by far the most competitive division in all of MLB.

What's strange is that the #2, 3 & 5 guys are barely hitting over .200 & have having terrible seasons so far. I'm referring to Hill, Lind & O-verbay. They were expected to be the leaders on this team, with Hill & Lind having all-star calibre seasons last year. But Fred Lewis, Vernon Wells & John Buck have been hitting a ton & a lot of the Jays success is timely hitting. So far, the pitching is sound, but considering how young their pitchers are, with Shaun Marcum returning after Tommy John surgery, they can't be expected to maintain the current pace.

However, it's fun to watch them play like this. I've already bought my tickets for this summer when the Sox will be in town, so i'm hoping they're still playing like they are now.
 

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Just heard the YES pregame analysis on Rays-Yankees. The scouting report the Yankees have on Wade Davis is that his pitch counts can be driven up very high very early. The Yankees have been told to take pitches.

Swisher and Posada are out again. Posada has a slightly swollen foot but can play in an emergency. Miranda at 1B, Teix at DH and Thames is out in right field again as the Yankees have no choice but to play him as Swish has a slightly torn bicep.
 

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Just heard the YES pregame analysis on Rays-Yankees. The scouting report the Yankees have on Wade Davis is that his pitch counts can be driven up very high very early. The Yankees have been told to take pitches.
We do know how much you love to boast about the Yankees ability to drive up pitch counts. I'm sure it has something to do with their pride, guts and determination. So I thought I'd check to see how they fare versus other teams in their ability to work pitchers. And, if fact, you're right. Their third in the American League with 3.95 pitches per plate appearance. They're barely ahead of Seattle (3.94), LAnaheim (3.92) and Tampa Bay 3.91. They're slightly behind Cleveland (3.96.) They're way behind the leading team which is seeing 4.08 pitches per plate appearance.
 
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