I read enough to know that fraud should be criminal. You have an actual response to why knowingly packaging bad loans as a leveraged investment and telling your clients it's a stable product should not be illegal?
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I read enough to know that fraud should be criminal. You have an actual response to why knowingly packaging bad loans as a leveraged investment and telling your clients it's a stable product should not be illegal?
And?? These are laws made by the Government to protect the proliferate from being exploited and robbed by corporations. Like the banks out of the goodness of their hearts will not take full advantage of poor working class people and try to unethically fleece every dime out of their pockets. You just proved my point. It is funny you mention the Glass–Steagall Legislation. You do realize that the big banks staged the collapse of the markets in 1929 in order to buy out all the small independents banks at a mere fraction of their value in essence they staged The Great Depression? This is one of the way corporations take control. You do know about the Gold Reserve Act? Do you not? And here you are telling me that the banks do not control and regulate the proliferate? They are the biggest criminals.The Federal Reserve is a scam.
This is very clear. You got tunnel vision you only see and write what you want to show. I presented many facts to you with references to articles from the internet you disputed all. Here is an example of how you distort reality is always mentioning Venezuela but conveniently forget about Ireland, Iceland, Finland, and Switzerland.
I never dismissed Hilary Clinton's criminal acts? Where in my posts have I ever wrote that I support her? You proved my point you have a hard time with facts. You invent stories to suit your rightist propaganda. The only candidate I supported was Bernie Sanders and I do not give a damn if he never worked in his life neither did Donald Trump who simply inherited billions of dollars and used that money and brought many companies to Chapter 11. Bernie Sanders was the only one to some extent that served the proliferate instead of the corporations. Hilary Clinton serves corporate interests. If you ask me between the two I probably would support Donald Trump over Hilary Clinton. Guess what Hilary has got major support she has a good chance to beat Donald does not look like most people care about her crimes.
Daydreamer41 is living in a delusional world that gets everything upside down. He also ignores all facts and tries to distort reality to spread his rightist propaganda. Having said that based on the many comments I read in this thread I have to disagree with you on this one seems there are more rightist conservative supporters.
With this I disagree. Bush and especially Reagan were hard core conservative rightists. Reagan was famous for this trickle down economics aka Reagonomics something that Daydreamer41 has a strong belief in. The theory states that by decreasing marginal and capital gains tax rates especially for corporations, investors and entrepreneurs can stimulate the overall economy. More money in the hands of corporations would mean more money to invest and more money for jobs. Except this theory was a failure. Reagan's friend Mulroney was the same right wing conservative. We all know about the recession of the 80's. Need I say more?
Or in today's Republican party, it can also mean being borderline certified nuts!
(and delusional, anti-education, bigoted, intolerant, xenophobe, sexist, white, middle-aged and over, etc)
One thing we learned over the past few days......
The Donald can read!!!!! Slowly, but still......he can read!!!
The Donald can read!!!!! Slowly, but still......he can read!!!
Brent Scowcroft Endorses Clinton
This is a highly respected Republican who served in 4 different Republican presidents' administrations and no Republican can plausibly attack this man or his credibility:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/hillary-clinton-brent-scowcroft-endorsement/
He joins Richard Armitage and Bob Gates as highly respected Republican operatives who having publicly endorsed Clinton. These 3 men cannot be ignored.
This is a highly respected Republican who served in 4 different Republican presidents' administrations and no Republican can plausibly attack this man or his credibility:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/hillary-clinton-brent-scowcroft-endorsement/
He joins Richard Armitage and Bob Gates as highly respected Republican operatives who having publicly endorsed Clinton. These 3 men cannot be ignored.
This kind of over-statement plays into the hands of those who want to narrowly categorize everyone to suit their purpose by over-simplifying sides into stereotypes they can then dismiss with some kind of label allowing them to feel right about ignoring anything those with opposing views might say. There are many more types of opinions than Liberal or Conservative. The real reason anyone might be pissing into the wind is their own narrowness when their only approach to everything is YOU WRONG, ME RIGHT. It's narrow. It's childish. It prevents one from listening to anything. It blocks growth and the ability to reason. It keeps those people comfortably stuck in their own political boundaries.
For myself I am a Democratic Centrist. That means I lean towards the Democrats but I listen to nearly everyone. Still I don't care for extreme Liberals or Tea Partiers, but I pay attention and listen. Rejecting anything out of hand makes ignorance.
Agreed. We saw the results of unrestricted Capitalism slightly over 100 years ago. Monopoly after monopoly benefiting themselves, stifling competitive development and growth, keeping much the populace entrenched in marginal living conditions and workers in harsh conditions .
So you're saying 80% of people actively involved in a fully functioning organically coordinated and decentralized 100% voluntary self-regulating market can offer suggestions on how improvements for participants can be provided by authoritative interventionism from a legally-armed third party?
Like for example, what exactly? For consumer protection, should truth in advertising laws be upheld for agencies and indies? maybe random inspections of ladies for personal hygiene are needed with a letter rating system? what about workers rights for income inequality and concerns regarding less busy providers who may not be earning a living wage? Of course in reality these sound ridiculous but what actual leftist principles can be applied to this industry resulting in a positive cost/benefit ratio for everyone involved as a whole?
If the 80% number is accurate, I'll take it as definitive proof Adam Smith was correct in his conviction that the hand that's successfully been jerking us all off truly is invisible.
I am surprised that Cloudsurf's comments have stirred such controversy. He isn't really a controversial kind of guy. The only controversy he has caused on the boards is with his multiple faux retirement announcements which all proved to be short lived. He has refrained from making any other retirement announcements, however. I don't see him as very controversial.
To clarify, my post was about the statement. It was not meant to use one statement to characterize anyone, which would be very unfair. As written the section I quoted came off as heavy-handed big exaggeration. "80%...are Leftists".
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/06/23/us/politics/ap-us-campaign-2016-trump-fact-check.html
AP FACT CHECK: Trump Peddles Suspect Claims About Clinton
WASHINGTON — In a speech skewering Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump assigned her far more influence than she had as secretary of state as he blamed her directly for a host of foreign policy ills. He also peddled some suspect allegations that she used her time as the top diplomat to enrich herself.Trump accused Clinton in his broad indictment Wednesday of announcing a withdrawal from Iraq that actually wasn't on her watch, pulled numbers out of nowhere on her plan for refugees and went beyond the established facts behind the killing of the U.S. ambassador to Libya in stating starkly that she "left him there to die."
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EDITOR'S NOTE — A look at the veracity of claims in the presidential campaign.
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Some of his assertions and how they stack up with the facts:
TRUMP: "In just four years, Secretary Clinton managed to almost single-handedly destabilize the entire Middle East." He blamed her for an invasion of Libya that "handed the country over to ISIS," for making Iran the dominant Islamic power in the region and for supporting regime change in Syria that led to a bloody civil war.
THE FACTS: Arguments about Iranian domination of the Middle East predate Clinton's tenure, going back a decade to the George W. Bush administration's deposing of Saddam Hussein in neighboring Iraq.
While secretary of state, Clinton supported arming Syria's moderate rebels, but the Islamic State group only arrived later. It's unclear what effect such a policy would have had as President Barack Obama rejected the advice at the time.
And she had nothing to do with the "disastrous strategy" of giving a departure date from Iraq. It was the George W. Bush administration that announced the planned withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq in 2008.
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TRUMP: U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and his staff "made hundreds and hundreds of requests for security. They were desperate. They needed help. Hillary Clinton's State Department refused them all. She started the war that put them in Libya, denied him the security he asked for, then left him there to die."
THE FACTS: Trump greatly exaggerates the security requests, not all of which were denied, and gets the history of U.S.-Libyan relations wrong.
Several congressional investigations under Republican control have shown that Clinton had no role in military decisions related to Benghazi, and that it would have been impossible for U.S. armed forces to intervene in time to save Stevens.
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TRUMP: "She ran the State Department like her own personal hedge fund."
THE FACTS: Trump's case that Clinton used her office for personal profiteering was based largely on sources of information that have been widely questioned, such as the book "Clinton Cash" by Peter Schweizer.
An AP review of State Department calendars did show that she opened her office to dozens of influential Democratic party fundraisers, Clinton loyalists and corporate donors to her family's global charity. The AP found no evidence of legal conflicts in Clinton's meetings, however.
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TRUMP: "Hillary also wants to spend hundreds of billions to resettle Middle Eastern refugees in the United States, on top of the current record level of immigration."
THE FACTS: For a businessman, Trump is shaky on his numbers. The entire U.S. budget for refugee resettlement is less than $1.2 billion a year — Trump's assertion about the cost of resettlement is still baffling.
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TRUMP: "I started off in Brooklyn, New York, not so long ago, with a small loan and built a business that today is worth well over $10 billion."
THE FACTS: Trump's $1 million loan from his father was just the beginning of his family subsidies, which included a far larger inheritance, loan guarantees and even occasional bailouts — one of which was found to be illegal by New Jersey casino regulators. As for the value of Trump's business, every independent appraisal has found his assets to be worth far less than he says; Forbes says Trump is worth less than half what he claims.
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TRUMP: "Hillary Clinton accepted $58,000 in jewelry from the government of Brunei when she was secretary of state — plus millions more for her foundation. The sultan of Brunei has pushed oppressive Sharia law.
THE FACTS: Clinton is not sporting Brunei bling.
The gift was not to her, but to the United States.
Clinton chose not to buy the jewelry, and instead turned it over to the General Services Administration — the standard procedure for most gifts from foreign leaders. But gift exchanges are standard practice. The Federal Register notice says "non-acceptance would cause embarrassment to donor and U.S. government."
___
TRUMP: "Our trade deficit with China soared 40 percent during Clinton's time as secretary of state."
THE FACTS: Trump's claim is more than double the actual increase.
From late 2008 through 2012, a period coinciding with Clinton's tenure, the trade deficit with China rose 17.6 percent.
More broadly, the secretary of state is not typically held responsible for the trade deficit. The difference in how much the nation spends and saves, and trade policies implemented by the U.S. trade representative.
___
TRUMP: "We are the highest-taxed nation in the world."
THE FACTS: Closer to the opposite is true.
The U.S. tax burden is actually one of the lowest among the 34 developed and large emerging-market economies that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
Taxes made up 26 percent of the total U.S. economy in 2014, according to the OECD. That's far below Sweden's tax burden of 42.7 percent, Britain's 32.6 percent or Germany's 36.1 percent. Only three OECD members had a lower figure: Chile, South Korea and Mexico.
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TRUMP: "She has pledged to grant mass amnesty and in her first 100 days, end virtually all immigration enforcement, and thus create totally open borders in the United States."
THE FACTS: It's not true that Clinton's plan would create open borders. Her plan does call for a pathway to citizenship that would allow people currently in the country illegally to stay, but only after going through a series of steps to become a citizen. On enforcement, Clinton has called for focusing on "detaining and deporting those individuals who pose a violent threat to public safety," but not ending enforcement outright.
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TRUMP: "Under her plan, we would admit hundreds of thousands of refugees from the most dangerous countries on Earth, with no way to screen who they are, what they are, what they believe, where they come from."
THE FACTS: Clinton has called for the United States to continue to accept refugees, including as many as 65,000 from Syria. But Trump is wrong about Clinton's stance on refugee screening. She's never said she would scale back the current refugee processing system.
TRUMP: "We will repeal and replace job-killing Obamacare. It is a total disaster."
THE FACTS: Job growth has been solid by historical standards since Obama's health care overhaul was signed into law in March 2010. Since then, employers have added nearly 14 million jobs and businesses have been on the longest hiring streak in the post-World War II era. And 2014 and 2015 were the two best years of private-sector hiring since the late 1990s. The unemployment rate, meanwhile, has fallen to 4.7 percent, an 8 ½ year low, from 9.9 percent when the law was passed.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/06/23/us/politics/ap-us-campaign-2016-trump-fact-check.html
AP FACT CHECK: Trump Peddles Suspect Claims About Clinton
WASHINGTON — In a speech skewering Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump assigned her far more influence than she had as secretary of state as he blamed her directly for a host of foreign policy ills. He also peddled some suspect allegations that she used her time as the top diplomat to enrich herself.Trump accused Clinton in his broad indictment Wednesday of announcing a withdrawal from Iraq that actually wasn't on her watch, pulled numbers out of nowhere on her plan for refugees and went beyond the established facts behind the killing of the U.S. ambassador to Libya in stating starkly that she "left him there to die."
___
EDITOR'S NOTE — A look at the veracity of claims in the presidential campaign.
___
Some of his assertions and how they stack up with the facts:
TRUMP: "In just four years, Secretary Clinton managed to almost single-handedly destabilize the entire Middle East." He blamed her for an invasion of Libya that "handed the country over to ISIS," for making Iran the dominant Islamic power in the region and for supporting regime change in Syria that led to a bloody civil war.
THE FACTS: Arguments about Iranian domination of the Middle East predate Clinton's tenure, going back a decade to the George W. Bush administration's deposing of Saddam Hussein in neighboring Iraq.
While secretary of state, Clinton supported arming Syria's moderate rebels, but the Islamic State group only arrived later. It's unclear what effect such a policy would have had as President Barack Obama rejected the advice at the time.
And she had nothing to do with the "disastrous strategy" of giving a departure date from Iraq. It was the George W. Bush administration that announced the planned withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq in 2008.
___
TRUMP: U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and his staff "made hundreds and hundreds of requests for security. They were desperate. They needed help. Hillary Clinton's State Department refused them all. She started the war that put them in Libya, denied him the security he asked for, then left him there to die."
THE FACTS: Trump greatly exaggerates the security requests, not all of which were denied, and gets the history of U.S.-Libyan relations wrong.
Several congressional investigations under Republican control have shown that Clinton had no role in military decisions related to Benghazi, and that it would have been impossible for U.S. armed forces to intervene in time to save Stevens.
___
TRUMP: "She ran the State Department like her own personal hedge fund."
THE FACTS: Trump's case that Clinton used her office for personal profiteering was based largely on sources of information that have been widely questioned, such as the book "Clinton Cash" by Peter Schweizer.
An AP review of State Department calendars did show that she opened her office to dozens of influential Democratic party fundraisers, Clinton loyalists and corporate donors to her family's global charity. The AP found no evidence of legal conflicts in Clinton's meetings, however.
___
TRUMP: "Hillary also wants to spend hundreds of billions to resettle Middle Eastern refugees in the United States, on top of the current record level of immigration."
THE FACTS: For a businessman, Trump is shaky on his numbers. The entire U.S. budget for refugee resettlement is less than $1.2 billion a year — Trump's assertion about the cost of resettlement is still baffling.
___
TRUMP: "I started off in Brooklyn, New York, not so long ago, with a small loan and built a business that today is worth well over $10 billion."
THE FACTS: Trump's $1 million loan from his father was just the beginning of his family subsidies, which included a far larger inheritance, loan guarantees and even occasional bailouts — one of which was found to be illegal by New Jersey casino regulators. As for the value of Trump's business, every independent appraisal has found his assets to be worth far less than he says; Forbes says Trump is worth less than half what he claims.
___
TRUMP: "Hillary Clinton accepted $58,000 in jewelry from the government of Brunei when she was secretary of state — plus millions more for her foundation. The sultan of Brunei has pushed oppressive Sharia law.
THE FACTS: Clinton is not sporting Brunei bling.
The gift was not to her, but to the United States.
Clinton chose not to buy the jewelry, and instead turned it over to the General Services Administration — the standard procedure for most gifts from foreign leaders. But gift exchanges are standard practice. The Federal Register notice says "non-acceptance would cause embarrassment to donor and U.S. government."
___
TRUMP: "Our trade deficit with China soared 40 percent during Clinton's time as secretary of state."
THE FACTS: Trump's claim is more than double the actual increase.
From late 2008 through 2012, a period coinciding with Clinton's tenure, the trade deficit with China rose 17.6 percent.
More broadly, the secretary of state is not typically held responsible for the trade deficit. The difference in how much the nation spends and saves, and trade policies implemented by the U.S. trade representative.
___
TRUMP: "We are the highest-taxed nation in the world."
THE FACTS: Closer to the opposite is true.
The U.S. tax burden is actually one of the lowest among the 34 developed and large emerging-market economies that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
Taxes made up 26 percent of the total U.S. economy in 2014, according to the OECD. That's far below Sweden's tax burden of 42.7 percent, Britain's 32.6 percent or Germany's 36.1 percent. Only three OECD members had a lower figure: Chile, South Korea and Mexico.
___
TRUMP: "She has pledged to grant mass amnesty and in her first 100 days, end virtually all immigration enforcement, and thus create totally open borders in the United States."
THE FACTS: It's not true that Clinton's plan would create open borders. Her plan does call for a pathway to citizenship that would allow people currently in the country illegally to stay, but only after going through a series of steps to become a citizen. On enforcement, Clinton has called for focusing on "detaining and deporting those individuals who pose a violent threat to public safety," but not ending enforcement outright.
___
TRUMP: "Under her plan, we would admit hundreds of thousands of refugees from the most dangerous countries on Earth, with no way to screen who they are, what they are, what they believe, where they come from."
THE FACTS: Clinton has called for the United States to continue to accept refugees, including as many as 65,000 from Syria. But Trump is wrong about Clinton's stance on refugee screening. She's never said she would scale back the current refugee processing system.
TRUMP: "We will repeal and replace job-killing Obamacare. It is a total disaster."
THE FACTS: Job growth has been solid by historical standards since Obama's health care overhaul was signed into law in March 2010. Since then, employers have added nearly 14 million jobs and businesses have been on the longest hiring streak in the post-World War II era. And 2014 and 2015 were the two best years of private-sector hiring since the late 1990s. The unemployment rate, meanwhile, has fallen to 4.7 percent, an 8 ½ year low, from 9.9 percent when the law was passed.
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I have already figured out why and will claim the winnings at a later date.
On a separate note does anyone want to place bets on who will be the first SP to arrive at VIP 7, and who will be the first agency/MP to arrive?
How about a bet on whether the food will be as good at VIP 7 as at VIP 6?
Lastly a bet on what the total value of liquor sales achieved will be as told by the venue's contact the next day when receipts are tallied?
On a separate note does anyone want to place bets on who will be the first SP to arrive at VIP 7, and who will be the first agency/MP to arrive?
How about a bet on whether the food will be as good at VIP 7 as at VIP 6?
Lastly a bet on what the total value of liquor sales achieved will be as told by the venue's contact the next day when receipts are tallied?
Those weren't controversies. They were simply temper tantrums. We've all had them.
Colin Powell isn't far behind if he hasn't done so already. Former Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush aren't supporting Trump either and will be boycotting the upcoming GOP convention. Same thing with the GOP nominee 4 years ago, Mitt Romney. Of course, they'll never publicly endorse Clinton, but actions speak better than words.
Or in today's Republican party, it can also mean being borderline certified nuts!
(and delusional, anti-education, bigoted, intolerant, xenophobe, sexist, white, middle-aged and over, etc)
Oh yes, you're using your sole argument against what you think Republicans represent:
SIXHIRB acronym for “Sexist, Intolerant, Xenophobic, Homophobic, Islamophobic, Racist, Bigoted.”
You prove once again that Leftist have nothing but shallow and false charges against Republicans.
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