:lol: oh man, boston sports teams are taking a beatdown lately, great stuff, eh boyzzz! :thumb:
2014 Official NFL Thread
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The Patriots won me a lot of money in this year's Superbowl, but i must admit that every single Superbowl win under the Bill Bellichick/Tom Brady era appears very shady & history will show that the majority of observers will look at those wins as being tainted in some way.
The Patriots are poster boys for a culture of cheating which has been prevalent around the Boston area sports scene for nearly a decade. This is a fact. It's also a fact that this isn't the Patriots' first barbecue. They've been caught cheating in the past & i'm certain there were incidents that we've yet to hear about and will only find out about them in some book written a few years from now.
It is also true that Boston area teams are taking quite a beating lately. It only seems like yesterday that they dominated the sports world. Now it's shameful. The Celtics are a joke, the Bruins missed the playoffs and they'll have to consider rebuilding the team, the Red Sox will play below .500 once again and likely finish in the basement and the Patriots are highly regarded as nothing but a bunch of cheaters whose past successes have now been put into question.
Out of those four teams, only the Patriots head coach has job security among the other coaches. The Bruins will likely fire their coach once they've named a new GM (they also fired their GM last month), the Celtics may replace their head coach after a sub-par season, the Red Sox have the worse manager in baseball and i'd be surprised if he isn't fired prior to next season....along with their GM....and there's Bill-O and the Cheatriots. As long as Bill-O is with the organization, controversy will never stop following the organization. He's a great head coach, but he also suffers from a compulsion to break the rules. A cheater. Sad.
The Patriots are poster boys for a culture of cheating which has been prevalent around the Boston area sports scene for nearly a decade. This is a fact. It's also a fact that this isn't the Patriots' first barbecue. They've been caught cheating in the past & i'm certain there were incidents that we've yet to hear about and will only find out about them in some book written a few years from now.
It is also true that Boston area teams are taking quite a beating lately. It only seems like yesterday that they dominated the sports world. Now it's shameful. The Celtics are a joke, the Bruins missed the playoffs and they'll have to consider rebuilding the team, the Red Sox will play below .500 once again and likely finish in the basement and the Patriots are highly regarded as nothing but a bunch of cheaters whose past successes have now been put into question.
Out of those four teams, only the Patriots head coach has job security among the other coaches. The Bruins will likely fire their coach once they've named a new GM (they also fired their GM last month), the Celtics may replace their head coach after a sub-par season, the Red Sox have the worse manager in baseball and i'd be surprised if he isn't fired prior to next season....along with their GM....and there's Bill-O and the Cheatriots. As long as Bill-O is with the organization, controversy will never stop following the organization. He's a great head coach, but he also suffers from a compulsion to break the rules. A cheater. Sad.
This is completely ridiculous. First the league fines DC Gunther Cunningham for saying the Lions would like a KC Chief on their team, and the Lions lost a 7th round pick and had to swap 5th's with KC. Suh basically agrees to a contract prior to free-agency and found not guilty of tampering. Baltimore states publicly like Cunningham did that they would love to have Ngata back next year and is not guilty of tampering. Nice to see the league is consistent across the board. Total BS. I think the timing of the Miami investigation is not a coincidence. IMO the league did not come down on Miami because they are trying to save face for the NE verdict. They had to come down on NE. This league is corrupt and a joke.
Hey Guys
You aren't fooling anyone but yourself. You say you are against cheating but you very recently proposed your own "love", your team the Leafs cheat by throwing games to get a top draft pick. So where do you stand Doc? Not on honor. Not on integrity. Not on your own two legs. You betrayed the principle you feign to preach by casting your team into the very cesspool of cheating you try to attack. You tried to push cheating as a tactic to gain a championship and didn't care about the stain you put on your own team. Talk about acting SHADY, even if you hadn't exposed your purpose many times previously.
You made a hate post Doc. NOTHING more or less. If your "love" was being branded a cheater based on "probably more than not" you'd being screaming like a madman at that sad standard. But you look at it only as another hate opportunity. That's all you.
"Probably" Doesn’t Cut It: Deflate-gate Report’s Findings Undermine Conclusion
http://www.breitbart.com/sports/201...eport-damns-investigators-more-than-patriots/
This year’s Wells Report on Deflate-gate, in contrast to last year’s Wells Report on the Dolphins bullying scandal, reads long on innuendo and short on facts. It presents conclusions at odds with the evidence.
Some variation of the word “probably” appears more than a dozen times therein. If a principal accused your kid of “probably” cheating, you, more than probably, wouldn’t like it. And that’s the definite reaction of Tom Brady Sr. Calling the investigation “Framegate,” Brady the Elder told USA Today, “In this country, you’re innocent until proven guilty. It just seems Tommy is now guilty until proven innocent.”
Most incredibly, Ted Wells shows that at least one of the two referees measured that eight of the eleven Patriots game balls fell within where the scientists employed by Wells said they would sink to given weather conditions. This doesn’t indicate a verdict of “probable” guilt. It indicates a zeal to prove an incoming hypothesis.
An example of the overzealousness of Wells appears on page 91 of his report, where he publicizes John Jastremski’s private texts to his mother on a matter completely unrelated to the point of the investigation. The Patriots employee at the heart of the controversy boasts of possessing the ball used by Tom Brady to eclipse the 50,000-yard passing milestone. “Funny…go to patriots.com,” he tells his mother. “They have an article about the 50,000 yard ball…if they only knew
.” The texts talk of the ball, which owner Robert Kraft believed he possessed, possibly funding Jastremski’s honeymoon.
Why, if not to embarrass the man and jeopardize his continued employment, did Wells print such extraneous material? The same goes for allegations that the Pats employees sold freebie tickets for profit, solicited shoes from Uggs pitchman Tom Brady, and sought basketball tickets from the celebrities they worked for. How, in even a tangential way, does this relate to whether they purposefully deflated balls prior to the AFC Championship Game? Here, Ted Wells offers no proof relating to the matter at hand but much proof of his desire to attaint the heretofore unknown employees who denied his allegations.
The inclusion of such extraneous material surely makes for a better read. It also validates Brady’s decision not to allow the investigators to rifle through his cell phone and computers.
Wells dubs Brady’s refusal as “not helpful.” To whom? The report claims that the four-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback denied their entreaties “even though those requests were limited to the subject matter of our investigation.” Clearly, the embarrassing immaterial material released from the communications between the far-from-famous Pats equipment handlers makes this statement a farce.
Elsewhere, Wells relies on evidence suggesting the opposite of what he believes probably happened as a way to prove his case. Biased investigators embrace this methodology because it enables them to prove anything. Jim McNally suggesting to “blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball,” a “watermelon,” and a “balloon” might have proved to be a smoking gun if Wells charged the equipment guys of overinflating balls. It’s surely relevant in indicating Brady’s frustration with overinflated balls. But when McNally and Jastremski point to referees pressurizing balls to 16 psi—2.5 psi over the limit—the evidence just as easily points to Brady looking for a ball deflated to regulation than to one deflated below it. It may be the case that Brady sought an edge on the rules. But this evidence presented mostly undermines rather than buttresses that thesis.
Buried deep in the report,.” In other words, Wells affirmed Bill Belichick’s point, ridiculed by Bill Nye “the Science Guy” and others, that the weather naturally deflates balls. Wells concedes that “the air pressure of all of the game balls tested at halftime decreased from the levels measured prior to the game
All of the balls—Patriots balls and Colts balls—lost pressure by halftime. Significantly, the 11 Patriot balls showed greater decreases than the four Colt balls tested. More significantly, judging by what the scientists employed by Wells told him, eight of the 11 balls tested at halftime fell within the expected range of pressure drop based on the measurements of at least one of the two NFL officials who gauged the pigskins. This, more than anything else, invalidates the conclusions of the Wells Report. Though Ted Wells theorizes a conspiracy to depressurize balls, measurements by NFL referees on the majority of the Patriots balls read precisely where the scientific firm employed by the investigators said a ball inflated to 12.5 psi–the NFL minimum–would fall to (between 11.52 and 11.32) as a result of game-time conditions.
Since the psi measurements of the two referees varied somewhat, the opposite–that a majority of the balls failed to meet the expected level–is also true. Remarkably, the report chooses to interpret the data exclusively in a manner that suggests malfeasance. “Most of the individual Patriots measurements recorded at halftime, however, were lower than the range predicted by the Ideal Gas Law,” the report reads. But the fact that by at least one or the other referee’s measurement, the air pressure of eight of eleven balls fell to expected levels undermines the verdict of “probable” guilt.
And surely judgments of “probable” guilt deserve a verdict all their own.
It all looks like a very solid appeals case.
Enjoy, :thumb:
You aren't fooling anyone but yourself. You say you are against cheating but you very recently proposed your own "love", your team the Leafs cheat by throwing games to get a top draft pick. So where do you stand Doc? Not on honor. Not on integrity. Not on your own two legs. You betrayed the principle you feign to preach by casting your team into the very cesspool of cheating you try to attack. You tried to push cheating as a tactic to gain a championship and didn't care about the stain you put on your own team. Talk about acting SHADY, even if you hadn't exposed your purpose many times previously.
You made a hate post Doc. NOTHING more or less. If your "love" was being branded a cheater based on "probably more than not" you'd being screaming like a madman at that sad standard. But you look at it only as another hate opportunity. That's all you.
"Probably" Doesn’t Cut It: Deflate-gate Report’s Findings Undermine Conclusion
http://www.breitbart.com/sports/201...eport-damns-investigators-more-than-patriots/
This year’s Wells Report on Deflate-gate, in contrast to last year’s Wells Report on the Dolphins bullying scandal, reads long on innuendo and short on facts. It presents conclusions at odds with the evidence.
Some variation of the word “probably” appears more than a dozen times therein. If a principal accused your kid of “probably” cheating, you, more than probably, wouldn’t like it. And that’s the definite reaction of Tom Brady Sr. Calling the investigation “Framegate,” Brady the Elder told USA Today, “In this country, you’re innocent until proven guilty. It just seems Tommy is now guilty until proven innocent.”
Most incredibly, Ted Wells shows that at least one of the two referees measured that eight of the eleven Patriots game balls fell within where the scientists employed by Wells said they would sink to given weather conditions. This doesn’t indicate a verdict of “probable” guilt. It indicates a zeal to prove an incoming hypothesis.
An example of the overzealousness of Wells appears on page 91 of his report, where he publicizes John Jastremski’s private texts to his mother on a matter completely unrelated to the point of the investigation. The Patriots employee at the heart of the controversy boasts of possessing the ball used by Tom Brady to eclipse the 50,000-yard passing milestone. “Funny…go to patriots.com,” he tells his mother. “They have an article about the 50,000 yard ball…if they only knew
.” The texts talk of the ball, which owner Robert Kraft believed he possessed, possibly funding Jastremski’s honeymoon.Why, if not to embarrass the man and jeopardize his continued employment, did Wells print such extraneous material? The same goes for allegations that the Pats employees sold freebie tickets for profit, solicited shoes from Uggs pitchman Tom Brady, and sought basketball tickets from the celebrities they worked for. How, in even a tangential way, does this relate to whether they purposefully deflated balls prior to the AFC Championship Game? Here, Ted Wells offers no proof relating to the matter at hand but much proof of his desire to attaint the heretofore unknown employees who denied his allegations.
The inclusion of such extraneous material surely makes for a better read. It also validates Brady’s decision not to allow the investigators to rifle through his cell phone and computers.
Wells dubs Brady’s refusal as “not helpful.” To whom? The report claims that the four-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback denied their entreaties “even though those requests were limited to the subject matter of our investigation.” Clearly, the embarrassing immaterial material released from the communications between the far-from-famous Pats equipment handlers makes this statement a farce.
Elsewhere, Wells relies on evidence suggesting the opposite of what he believes probably happened as a way to prove his case. Biased investigators embrace this methodology because it enables them to prove anything. Jim McNally suggesting to “blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball,” a “watermelon,” and a “balloon” might have proved to be a smoking gun if Wells charged the equipment guys of overinflating balls. It’s surely relevant in indicating Brady’s frustration with overinflated balls. But when McNally and Jastremski point to referees pressurizing balls to 16 psi—2.5 psi over the limit—the evidence just as easily points to Brady looking for a ball deflated to regulation than to one deflated below it. It may be the case that Brady sought an edge on the rules. But this evidence presented mostly undermines rather than buttresses that thesis.
Buried deep in the report,.” In other words, Wells affirmed Bill Belichick’s point, ridiculed by Bill Nye “the Science Guy” and others, that the weather naturally deflates balls. Wells concedes that “the air pressure of all of the game balls tested at halftime decreased from the levels measured prior to the game
All of the balls—Patriots balls and Colts balls—lost pressure by halftime. Significantly, the 11 Patriot balls showed greater decreases than the four Colt balls tested. More significantly, judging by what the scientists employed by Wells told him, eight of the 11 balls tested at halftime fell within the expected range of pressure drop based on the measurements of at least one of the two NFL officials who gauged the pigskins. This, more than anything else, invalidates the conclusions of the Wells Report. Though Ted Wells theorizes a conspiracy to depressurize balls, measurements by NFL referees on the majority of the Patriots balls read precisely where the scientific firm employed by the investigators said a ball inflated to 12.5 psi–the NFL minimum–would fall to (between 11.52 and 11.32) as a result of game-time conditions.
Since the psi measurements of the two referees varied somewhat, the opposite–that a majority of the balls failed to meet the expected level–is also true. Remarkably, the report chooses to interpret the data exclusively in a manner that suggests malfeasance. “Most of the individual Patriots measurements recorded at halftime, however, were lower than the range predicted by the Ideal Gas Law,” the report reads. But the fact that by at least one or the other referee’s measurement, the air pressure of eight of eleven balls fell to expected levels undermines the verdict of “probable” guilt.
And surely judgments of “probable” guilt deserve a verdict all their own.
It all looks like a very solid appeals case.
Enjoy, :thumb:
Shady
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ot-new-england-patriots-quarterback-tom-brady
:lol:
Best Regards
Smuler
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ot-new-england-patriots-quarterback-tom-brady
:lol:
Best Regards
Smuler
So Brady filed and appeal and the player's union is calling for Goodell to recuse himself and appoint an indenpendent arbitrator as it's only "FAIR". I don't have a problem with being "FAIR" as long as it's also "FAIR" that Brady's texts and cell phone calls are surrendered to this arbitrator. I mean at some point don't we want to be fair to the consumer (i.e. Us) to know the truth? This given the fact that according to the ESPN poll approximately 2/3 of the respondents believe Brady to be guilty. This is not a public court of law and shouldn't be held to that standard. It's a public sport where the players should affirmatively set an example for the public.
One additional question, does anyone really believe that the ballboy got his nickname "the deflator" because of his weight loss? Doesn't this explanation beg the public to swallow a bunch of BS? I think so, it's obviously a dodge. http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/05/14/brady-appeals-suspension-in-deflategate/?intcmp=latestnews
One additional question, does anyone really believe that the ballboy got his nickname "the deflator" because of his weight loss? Doesn't this explanation beg the public to swallow a bunch of BS? I think so, it's obviously a dodge. http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/05/14/brady-appeals-suspension-in-deflategate/?intcmp=latestnews
No reprieve for Shady Brady. He was not forthcoming and open with the investigation, the 4 games has to stand.
I predict that not only will Brady's suspension be completely overturned but Goodel may get suspended when all is said and done!! Bwwwahaaahaahahh!!!!
I think that Brady and Bellichick should be banned from the HOF and Kraft should be forced to sell the team. If we had a commissioner like NBA's Adam Silver that is exactly what would have happened.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/tom-brady-joins-list-of-banned-sports-superstars-1.3071134
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/tom-brady-joins-list-of-banned-sports-superstars-1.3071134
Let's remember that this should be a fan driven issue. This doesn't mean that we're submitting to mob rule. My premise is that there should be an independent arbitrator (for fairness) and that Brady should submit his cell phone records and texts (to be fair). The premise that he has the right to not self-incriminate is based upon criminal and not civil law. The player's union premise of privacy flies out hte window as Brady is a public figure. This doesn't mean that his privacy should be violated, but a review of his records certainly can be done without sacrificing his limited personal privacy. My guess is under these circumstances that he'd drop his challenge to the punishment (because no one realistically believes his story). As to the Patriots, sorry but management and the team must pay the penalty for the actions of the few, especially given the Pats track record. My prediction is the Pats punishment stands and Brady's 4 games will turn into 2 games. Let's remember that I was right about the initial punishment, so odds are that I'm correct. My logic is 4 games is a major slap on the hand while 2 games will be forgotten quickly and not deemed significant. The NFL really can't afford to have its golden boy too badly smeared. Besides the Pats will complain and we all know they're "bad sports"....a Boston trait.....LOL
NFL Executive President Troy Vincent's letter to that dirty, dishonest, disgraced, cheater-
"With respect to your particular involvement, the report established that there is substantial and credible evidence to conclude you were at least generally aware of the actions of the Patriots' employees involved in the deflation of the footballs and that it was unlikely that their actions were done without your knowledge. Moreover, the report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence.
"Your actions as set forth in the report clearly constitute conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the game of professional football. The integrity of the game is of paramount importance to everyone in our league, and requires unshakable commitment to fairness and compliance with the playing rules. Each player, no matter how accomplished and otherwise respected, has an obligation to comply with the rules and must be held accountable for his actions when those rules are violated and the public's confidence in the game is called into question."
"With respect to your particular involvement, the report established that there is substantial and credible evidence to conclude you were at least generally aware of the actions of the Patriots' employees involved in the deflation of the footballs and that it was unlikely that their actions were done without your knowledge. Moreover, the report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence.
"Your actions as set forth in the report clearly constitute conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the game of professional football. The integrity of the game is of paramount importance to everyone in our league, and requires unshakable commitment to fairness and compliance with the playing rules. Each player, no matter how accomplished and otherwise respected, has an obligation to comply with the rules and must be held accountable for his actions when those rules are violated and the public's confidence in the game is called into question."
Not-so-gentelmen,
Under the circumstances you are contradicting yourself badly. Nothing could be more obvious than that this issue has become a mob mentality issue. When the issue is about air pressure and the reaction on the punishment side has gone as far as no so uncommon demands to suspend Brady for a full year, take back the Super Bowl trophy (make it all of them), and other insanely ridiculously out of proportion penalty proposals compared to the offense and the flimsy basis for any penalty at all, then you have submitted to mob rule.
Need I give any more proof when this kind of total nonsense view is taken seriously by the hate-ridden writer.
The resolution for this issue should be based on the rules and ethical proportion as already outlined in the league guidelines. Instead we get a record penalty exceeding episodes with far more egregious/heinous offenses and so distant from the handling of like offenses that it seems like madness on a rampage.
Mostly agreed with here. This is where Goodell has exposed a strange instability. He hires the investigator then sets himself up as the arbitrator just 8 day after the Missouri Supreme Court ruled against his power to arbitrate anything in the NFL based on conflict of interest:
First, the Court pointed out that Section 8.3 gives the Commissioner “full, complete, and final jurisdiction and authority to arbitrate . . . [a]ny dispute between any player, coach, and/or other employee of any member of the League and any member club or clubs.” Next, the Court pointed out that Section 8.1 requires the NFL to “select and employ a person of unquestioned integrity to serve as Commissioner of the League and shall determine the period and fix the compensation of his employment.” Then, the Court pointed out that Section 8.2 states that the “Commissioner shall have no financial interest, direct or indirect, in any professional sport.”
The provisions are clearly inconsistent; it’s impossible for the Commissioner to have “no financial interest” in “any professional sport” when he is paid by the league — and when the bulk of his compensation often comes from bonuses tied to the financial success of the league. More importantly, the Missouri Supreme Court concluded that the conflicting provisions and obvious bias of the Commissioner when “required to arbitrate claims against his employers” makes the requirement that employees submit claims to arbitration resolved by the Commissioner unenforceable.
While those provisions likely will have greater teeth because they appear in Collective Bargaining Agreements, the three provisions quoted by the Missouri Supreme Court from the NFL’s Constitution and Bylaws lay the foundation for a case-by-case attack on arbitration submitted to the Commissioner based on the inherent bias of the Commissioner.
I don't think Brady has a too much of a problem turning over his phone to an unbiased authority but given how flimsy text messages were somehow twisted to absolute meanings why would he give it to anyone hired by Goodell.
I was stunned when I heard Goodell had appointed himself as arbiter in this case for several obvious conflict of interest reasons, but I'm bewildered about how he thinks he could do this in view of the very recent ruling against him in that position. Of course if he could get away with it this would be his only way to insure he does not face yet another arbitration catastrophe for himself due to a complete lack of conclusive evidence and disproportionate penalties, but it almost guarantees a lawsuit by Brady and the team which would have a great chance of winning based on predisposed bias and conflict of interest even without the ruling in Missouri.
Here's the kicker. Brady's legal team has filed to call Goodell and Wells to testify as witnesses making a farce of Goodells position as arbiter...IF it wasn't already. Put this under beautiful move...even if it was so obvious and necessary.
You are sadly mistaken here. Brady has been one of the hardest working athletes in sports history from the start. Read the history of his working drive at Michigan University to be the best. He's only gotten more dedicated cutting short his off-season to be at camp before any other players including rookies, becoming devoted to a special radical trainingregimen including strict dietary prohibitions. He takes great pride in who he is, what he can accomplish on the field, what he represents to himself and everyone else. He's the last person to stand for anything that smears his name. He wants a clean record and he wouldn't be Brady if he didn't do all he could to make sure that is guaranteed. If the penalties aren't cleaned out I believe there's a 75% to 90% chance he would sue Goodell and the NFL.
So was I as DD knows so well.
Coming from conspirator mongers like you and DD who are obsessed about blaming the Democrats for everything.
Make no mistake, Brady intends to make war against Goodell to preserve his honor. It's not a matter of lighter or harsher penalties it's about full exoneration. Goodells handling of the entire episode, which should have been the same as when the Vikings and Chargers manipulated balls against the rules, has infuriated Brady and the Patriots. Goodell's very obvious double-dealing in setting himself as the arbiter to judge his own handling was the call to no holds barred.
CORE MEASUREMENTS;
Lastly, the basis of the evidence that there was any offense at all was the gauge measurements originally taken with two gauges by a so-called expert referee Walt Anderson. The Wells Report selectively used only one set of gauge numbers for the Colts that favored them, while the basis of the deflation episode was a set of measurements from a different gauge that implicated the Patriots...the same one that implicated the Colts with 3 of 4 balls. Without this selective use of numbers to excuse one team and implicate another there would have been no issue at all.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...port-cheating-deflategate-ted-wells-tom-brady
Investigators relied on the logo gauge halftime numbers for the Colts, but the non-logo gauge numbers for the Patriots. Goldberg says the reason for that is the investigators wanted to reject the Ideal Gas Law, as provided in the Wells Report. Goldberg says, “Relying on Mr. Anderson’s best recollections, basic science fully explains the drop in psi of the Patriots footballs during the first half.” In other words, Goldberg says investigators didn’t accept the theory science explained the loss of psi in the Patriots’ footballs.
Talk about a SOLID case for the Patriots appeal. No wonder Goodell wants to cover himself by putting the verdict in his own pocket regardless of extreme conflict of interest.
Cheers,
Merlot
Under the circumstances you are contradicting yourself badly. Nothing could be more obvious than that this issue has become a mob mentality issue. When the issue is about air pressure and the reaction on the punishment side has gone as far as no so uncommon demands to suspend Brady for a full year, take back the Super Bowl trophy (make it all of them), and other insanely ridiculously out of proportion penalty proposals compared to the offense and the flimsy basis for any penalty at all, then you have submitted to mob rule.
Need I give any more proof when this kind of total nonsense view is taken seriously by the hate-ridden writer.
The resolution for this issue should be based on the rules and ethical proportion as already outlined in the league guidelines. Instead we get a record penalty exceeding episodes with far more egregious/heinous offenses and so distant from the handling of like offenses that it seems like madness on a rampage.
Mostly agreed with here. This is where Goodell has exposed a strange instability. He hires the investigator then sets himself up as the arbitrator just 8 day after the Missouri Supreme Court ruled against his power to arbitrate anything in the NFL based on conflict of interest:
First, the Court pointed out that Section 8.3 gives the Commissioner “full, complete, and final jurisdiction and authority to arbitrate . . . [a]ny dispute between any player, coach, and/or other employee of any member of the League and any member club or clubs.” Next, the Court pointed out that Section 8.1 requires the NFL to “select and employ a person of unquestioned integrity to serve as Commissioner of the League and shall determine the period and fix the compensation of his employment.” Then, the Court pointed out that Section 8.2 states that the “Commissioner shall have no financial interest, direct or indirect, in any professional sport.”
The provisions are clearly inconsistent; it’s impossible for the Commissioner to have “no financial interest” in “any professional sport” when he is paid by the league — and when the bulk of his compensation often comes from bonuses tied to the financial success of the league. More importantly, the Missouri Supreme Court concluded that the conflicting provisions and obvious bias of the Commissioner when “required to arbitrate claims against his employers” makes the requirement that employees submit claims to arbitration resolved by the Commissioner unenforceable.
While those provisions likely will have greater teeth because they appear in Collective Bargaining Agreements, the three provisions quoted by the Missouri Supreme Court from the NFL’s Constitution and Bylaws lay the foundation for a case-by-case attack on arbitration submitted to the Commissioner based on the inherent bias of the Commissioner.
I don't think Brady has a too much of a problem turning over his phone to an unbiased authority but given how flimsy text messages were somehow twisted to absolute meanings why would he give it to anyone hired by Goodell.
I was stunned when I heard Goodell had appointed himself as arbiter in this case for several obvious conflict of interest reasons, but I'm bewildered about how he thinks he could do this in view of the very recent ruling against him in that position. Of course if he could get away with it this would be his only way to insure he does not face yet another arbitration catastrophe for himself due to a complete lack of conclusive evidence and disproportionate penalties, but it almost guarantees a lawsuit by Brady and the team which would have a great chance of winning based on predisposed bias and conflict of interest even without the ruling in Missouri.
Here's the kicker. Brady's legal team has filed to call Goodell and Wells to testify as witnesses making a farce of Goodells position as arbiter...IF it wasn't already. Put this under beautiful move...even if it was so obvious and necessary.
You are sadly mistaken here. Brady has been one of the hardest working athletes in sports history from the start. Read the history of his working drive at Michigan University to be the best. He's only gotten more dedicated cutting short his off-season to be at camp before any other players including rookies, becoming devoted to a special radical trainingregimen including strict dietary prohibitions. He takes great pride in who he is, what he can accomplish on the field, what he represents to himself and everyone else. He's the last person to stand for anything that smears his name. He wants a clean record and he wouldn't be Brady if he didn't do all he could to make sure that is guaranteed. If the penalties aren't cleaned out I believe there's a 75% to 90% chance he would sue Goodell and the NFL.
So was I as DD knows so well.
Coming from conspirator mongers like you and DD who are obsessed about blaming the Democrats for everything.
Make no mistake, Brady intends to make war against Goodell to preserve his honor. It's not a matter of lighter or harsher penalties it's about full exoneration. Goodells handling of the entire episode, which should have been the same as when the Vikings and Chargers manipulated balls against the rules, has infuriated Brady and the Patriots. Goodell's very obvious double-dealing in setting himself as the arbiter to judge his own handling was the call to no holds barred.
CORE MEASUREMENTS;
Lastly, the basis of the evidence that there was any offense at all was the gauge measurements originally taken with two gauges by a so-called expert referee Walt Anderson. The Wells Report selectively used only one set of gauge numbers for the Colts that favored them, while the basis of the deflation episode was a set of measurements from a different gauge that implicated the Patriots...the same one that implicated the Colts with 3 of 4 balls. Without this selective use of numbers to excuse one team and implicate another there would have been no issue at all.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...port-cheating-deflategate-ted-wells-tom-brady
Investigators relied on the logo gauge halftime numbers for the Colts, but the non-logo gauge numbers for the Patriots. Goldberg says the reason for that is the investigators wanted to reject the Ideal Gas Law, as provided in the Wells Report. Goldberg says, “Relying on Mr. Anderson’s best recollections, basic science fully explains the drop in psi of the Patriots footballs during the first half.” In other words, Goldberg says investigators didn’t accept the theory science explained the loss of psi in the Patriots’ footballs.
Talk about a SOLID case for the Patriots appeal. No wonder Goodell wants to cover himself by putting the verdict in his own pocket regardless of extreme conflict of interest.
Cheers,
Merlot
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Guys,
http://nesn.com/2015/05/brett-favre-i-dont-think-by-any-stretch-that-tom-brady-cheated/
“I don’t think by any stretch, in my opinion, that Tom was cheating,” - Brett Favre
He's one of many current and former NFL players who back Brady from Kaepernick to Favre, but how does the public feel about the recent Well Report? Despite the manic obsession and loudness by the HATERS:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad...dise-sales-double-since-suspension-announced/
Since the Wells Report was released on May 6, Brady was the NFL’s top-selling NFL player, outside of the two top draft picks Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota, according to Fanatics.com, the largest online retailer of officially licensed sports merchandise (Brady ranked sixth prior to the report). The Patriots are the second highest-selling NFL team behind the Cowboys, up from fourth before the report. Brady gear has spiked 100% since the suspension was announced Monday.
The top state for sales not surprisingly is Massachusetts, followed by Florida (thanks vercingentorix), California, Washington and Michigan. The best-selling items include his home and away jerseys, which both retail for $100, as well as a Brady No. 12 t-shirt, which sells for $32. Brady ranked third for total licensed sales during the 2014 season, according to the NFL Players Association’s sales list, behind Russell Wilson and Peyton Manning.
MANY cheers,
Merlot
http://nesn.com/2015/05/brett-favre-i-dont-think-by-any-stretch-that-tom-brady-cheated/
“I don’t think by any stretch, in my opinion, that Tom was cheating,” - Brett Favre
He's one of many current and former NFL players who back Brady from Kaepernick to Favre, but how does the public feel about the recent Well Report? Despite the manic obsession and loudness by the HATERS:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad...dise-sales-double-since-suspension-announced/
Since the Wells Report was released on May 6, Brady was the NFL’s top-selling NFL player, outside of the two top draft picks Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota, according to Fanatics.com, the largest online retailer of officially licensed sports merchandise (Brady ranked sixth prior to the report). The Patriots are the second highest-selling NFL team behind the Cowboys, up from fourth before the report. Brady gear has spiked 100% since the suspension was announced Monday.
The top state for sales not surprisingly is Massachusetts, followed by Florida (thanks vercingentorix
), California, Washington and Michigan. The best-selling items include his home and away jerseys, which both retail for $100, as well as a Brady No. 12 t-shirt, which sells for $32. Brady ranked third for total licensed sales during the 2014 season, according to the NFL Players Association’s sales list, behind Russell Wilson and Peyton Manning.MANY cheers,
Merlot
Tsk tsk tsk...TSK!!!
http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/201...rady-suspension-new-england-patriots-jealousy
The New York tabloids had a field day earlier this week with Tom Brady's suspension. On Wednesday, the Boston Herald—a Boston tabloid—continued to defend the Patriots in the wake of the Ted Wells report on Deflategate.
The paper's front page on Wednesday asks a simple question in large text: "Why do they hate us?"
In response to this question, the haters might highlight the Patriots' record of skirting NFL rules. In particular, they would likely point out that Tom Brady, the team's star player and arguably the best quarterback in the NFL (possibly ever), was determined to have likely known about footballs being illegally deflated. Brady also failed to cooperate with the Wells investigation.
But the Boston Herald isn't having any of it. The paper says hatred for the Patriots can be boiled down to one word (or number): four. Super Bowl titles, that is.
The front page of Wednesday's paper shows four Lombardi Trophies. The page also teases stories titled "Deflategate is all about envy" and "Howling winds of jealousy."
Deflategate is all about envy
http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/2015/05/shattuck_deflategate_is_all_about_envy
There can no longer be any doubt — “Deflategate” is not about football.
It is about a national affliction — one of the seven deadly sins: Envy.
“Envy: the feeling of wanting to have what someone else has.”
Exactly.
And it’s made unhinged haters out of a lot of you outside New England.
Tom Brady took a helicopter to Salem State University.
“Arrogant!” detractors from across the country shouted.
Collectively, Americans have not been so fixated on a helicopter image since the fall of Saigon.
But you know who’d take a helicopter to Salem?
You.
All of us would if we could. North Shore traffic has been so bad on some days that many of us would take our chances on the Hindenburg.
All around the country, once- rational people are so bursting with envy that just below the surface they silently yearn for irrational concessions from Tom Brady.
Concessions apart from the trophies and the rings. They want him to stop being who they can’t be.
They don’t want him to be good-looking anymore.
Nix the supermodel wife, too. The cars, the houses. The Kentucky Derby. The Uggs. His suspect hair.
Sorry, losers. The fact is that everything about Brady is awesome.
Even his adopted hometown is cooler than yours. And that bothers you.
Boston has never looked better — never been better, and that only serves to fuel the irrational, national hate for Brady even further.
New York City is badly in need of Febreze, and its clown mayor has solidified himself as national donkey.
Philadelphia is home to the worst fans in sports and has nothing to offer the many visitors who don’t have the heart to tell them that their cheesesteaks are synthetic rubbish.
Baltimore … well … Baltimore is Baltimore. Enough said.
Ditto Detroit.
Indianapolis has relegated itself to the home of The Tattletale. It has an airport and a convention center. Maybe they can have the tattletale convention there. “Trust no one.”
These are just a few of the hater hot spots.
If you live outside of New England, chances are you dwell in one, too.
Want to know if you have the affliction? Are you a 40-year-old man who uses the term “Beli-cheat” or “Cheat-riots?”
If the answer is yes, you have been infected.
There is a remedy, though. Stand in front of your mirror and repeat the following:
“Tom Brady is a cooler, better and happier human being than I am, and I will endeavor to be like him. If I succeed even a little bit I will be a much-improved person.”
Now clear your Google search history of terms like “psi,” “helicopter regulations” and “Gisele Bundchen lingerie” — and start living your life again.
BINGO! :thumb:
Merlot
http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/201...rady-suspension-new-england-patriots-jealousy
The New York tabloids had a field day earlier this week with Tom Brady's suspension. On Wednesday, the Boston Herald—a Boston tabloid—continued to defend the Patriots in the wake of the Ted Wells report on Deflategate.
The paper's front page on Wednesday asks a simple question in large text: "Why do they hate us?"
In response to this question, the haters might highlight the Patriots' record of skirting NFL rules. In particular, they would likely point out that Tom Brady, the team's star player and arguably the best quarterback in the NFL (possibly ever), was determined to have likely known about footballs being illegally deflated. Brady also failed to cooperate with the Wells investigation.
But the Boston Herald isn't having any of it. The paper says hatred for the Patriots can be boiled down to one word (or number): four. Super Bowl titles, that is.
The front page of Wednesday's paper shows four Lombardi Trophies. The page also teases stories titled "Deflategate is all about envy" and "Howling winds of jealousy."
Deflategate is all about envy
http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/2015/05/shattuck_deflategate_is_all_about_envy
There can no longer be any doubt — “Deflategate” is not about football.
It is about a national affliction — one of the seven deadly sins: Envy.
“Envy: the feeling of wanting to have what someone else has.”
Exactly.
And it’s made unhinged haters out of a lot of you outside New England.
Tom Brady took a helicopter to Salem State University.
“Arrogant!” detractors from across the country shouted.
Collectively, Americans have not been so fixated on a helicopter image since the fall of Saigon.
But you know who’d take a helicopter to Salem?
You.
All of us would if we could. North Shore traffic has been so bad on some days that many of us would take our chances on the Hindenburg.
All around the country, once- rational people are so bursting with envy that just below the surface they silently yearn for irrational concessions from Tom Brady.
Concessions apart from the trophies and the rings. They want him to stop being who they can’t be.
They don’t want him to be good-looking anymore.
Nix the supermodel wife, too. The cars, the houses. The Kentucky Derby. The Uggs. His suspect hair.
Sorry, losers. The fact is that everything about Brady is awesome.
Even his adopted hometown is cooler than yours. And that bothers you.
Boston has never looked better — never been better, and that only serves to fuel the irrational, national hate for Brady even further.
New York City is badly in need of Febreze, and its clown mayor has solidified himself as national donkey.
Philadelphia is home to the worst fans in sports and has nothing to offer the many visitors who don’t have the heart to tell them that their cheesesteaks are synthetic rubbish.
Baltimore … well … Baltimore is Baltimore. Enough said.
Ditto Detroit.
Indianapolis has relegated itself to the home of The Tattletale. It has an airport and a convention center. Maybe they can have the tattletale convention there. “Trust no one.”
These are just a few of the hater hot spots.
If you live outside of New England, chances are you dwell in one, too.
Want to know if you have the affliction? Are you a 40-year-old man who uses the term “Beli-cheat” or “Cheat-riots?”
If the answer is yes, you have been infected.
There is a remedy, though. Stand in front of your mirror and repeat the following:
“Tom Brady is a cooler, better and happier human being than I am, and I will endeavor to be like him. If I succeed even a little bit I will be a much-improved person.”
Now clear your Google search history of terms like “psi,” “helicopter regulations” and “Gisele Bundchen lingerie” — and start living your life again.
BINGO! :thumb:
Merlot
Quote from the Washington Post-"Brady failed a test of moral courage. It appears that he cheated and then lied to the investigators who were trying to find the truth."- shame on you Tom Brady, you are a fake and a fraud.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...9bc50c-f7ef-11e4-9030-b4732caefe81_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...9bc50c-f7ef-11e4-9030-b4732caefe81_story.html
:lol:
Joe, your understanding of the English language continues to display an astounding lack of comprehension. The word "appears" means it looks like it may be that way. Thanks for another confirmation of 1. how flimsy the accusation is, 2. how hate can be used to turn anything into the way you want it to look.
More accurately...Who Envies The Patriots and Can't Stop Hating Them? >>>JOE.T<<<
Merlot
Joe, your understanding of the English language continues to display an astounding lack of comprehension. The word "appears" means it looks like it may be that way. Thanks for another confirmation of 1. how flimsy the accusation is, 2. how hate can be used to turn anything into the way you want it to look.
More accurately...Who Envies The Patriots and Can't Stop Hating Them? >>>JOE.T<<<
Merlot
Wonderful response Joe.t. Some can write pages and pages of nonsensical verbage that says nothing, and then there are some who write a few sentences of clarity and brilliance. :thumb::thumb:UP, Sir.
':lol:
Joe, your understanding of the English language continues to display an astounding lack of comprehension. The word "appears" means it looks like it may be that way. Thanks for another confirmation of 1. how flimsy the accusation is, 2. how hate can be used to turn anything into the way you want it to look.
More accurately...Who Envies The Patriots and Can't Stop Hating Them? >>>JOE.T<<<
Merlot
Comprehension? Does anyone dare lurk in the dark forest that is otherwise known as your posts?
Keep up the good writing, Mr. Joe.t.
Here's a 2011 interview with Tom Brady where he specifically comments that he likes deflated balls and that Gronkowski fixes them up for him: http://uproxx.com/sports/2015/05/tom-brady-deflated-footballs-new-england-patriots/
Truth is that I'd love to see Brady get out of this one. Don't want the Fin's 1st place AFC East Crown tarnished with any questions about, "well if Brady....". Bostonians are well known to be crybabies and bad sports.
Can't wait to see the Fins unleash Suh,Wake,Vernon and Phillips on Brady. Think I'm going to get actual tickets so I can watch the carnage.
Truth is that I'd love to see Brady get out of this one. Don't want the Fin's 1st place AFC East Crown tarnished with any questions about, "well if Brady....". Bostonians are well known to be crybabies and bad sports.
Can't wait to see the Fins unleash Suh,Wake,Vernon and Phillips on Brady. Think I'm going to get actual tickets so I can watch the carnage.
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