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I am posting about what's happening today in climate tech. The article you cite is 2 1/2 years old. I'm more concerned about the present and the future and less about past. But i will say that companies - green and non-green, go out of business all the time for a variety of reasons.
 
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I am posting about what's happening today in climate tech. The article you cite is 2 1/2 years old. I'm more concerned about the present and the future and less about past. But i will say that companies - green and non-green, go out of business all the time for a variety of reasons.
New enough for you?

 

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Biden 2.3 Trillion dollar green energy infrastructure proposal.

Costs and affordability – Solar panelsHydro-Québechttps://www.hydroquebec.com › solar › costs

So from above average 3$ watt installation solar infrastructure cost

Biden 2.3 Trillion dollar green energy proposal!!
2.3$ Trillion US$ converted to Canadian dollars at 3$ a watt installation average cost = 1 Trillion watts = 1000 GIGAWATTS WOW!
Sadly Hydro Quebec capacity is only about 37 Gigawatts.
Move aside hydro Quebec.
Sadly this is just theoretical. But possible if the money does not disappear into UN NGO "Foundations"
 
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New enough for you?

In a capitalist economy many companies go out of business for a variety of reasons. And, during Covid, many many companies were given billions as part of the government's efforts to keep businesses, an their employees, from failing and destroying the US economy.
 
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Good article.


Another 2 years old article. We're in 2023.
Climate change has acccelerated since then.
I watch 2023 infos, not 2021 !
You don't have to look hard for proof of climate change.
Look what happens in Amazonia !
 

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Another 2 years old article.
Does it matter how old the article is if true?
This is my prediction. In 10-20 years nothing will happen, no doom and gloom and the climate fanatics will claim victory for the trillions spent. But if we continued on a normal path and not caused financial harm to millions we would of had the same results.
Will point this out again, nothing Canada does or can do will alter climate change.
Any reasonable person who knows a bit about numbers should he able to figure that out.
 

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Good article.

One of the advantages of being 'long of tooth' is having lived during what is now history. This opinion piece in this right-wing tabloid is misleading. The environmental issues in the 1970's was planet pollution (chemical, nuclear, industrial, etc) not planet warming. It was Nixon who started the Environmental Protection Agency in the US in 1970. Yes, environmental catastrophe was averted because significant actions were taken to address pollution.
 

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Environmental pollution was a real issue in the mid to late 20th century. A burgeoning ice age not so much to put it charitably.
Again I will say this, yes the climate is changing it is expected with the population increase. And no, there is no emergency to stop it now. Things like a carbon tax or requiring people to go EV will not alter what the climate is doing. Common sense should tell you that.
PS, I am talking about Canada with Trudeau and his agenda to accomplish nothing.
 
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Again I will say this, yes the climate is changing it is expected with the population increase. And no, there is no emergency to stop it now. Things like a carbon tax or requiring people to go EV will not alter what the climate is doing. Common sense should tell you that.
PS, I am talking about Canada with Trudeau and his agenda to accomplish nothing.
Agree to disagree. Strongly disagree. There is a planet warming emergency that requires immediate actions today. We can mitigate this crisis if we take steps to do so and not ignore this climate reality.
 

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We can mitigate this crisis if we take steps to do so and not ignore this climate reality.
Again things are being done but a 3 - 7 year delay will not cause a catastrophic doom to the world but it will most likely assist in saving our economy.
My guess is you do not understand the financial hardships of millions of Canadians living paycheck to paycheck only to see another cost of living increase in the name of climate change that will do nothing to alter climate change.
 
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Again things are being done but a 3 - 7 year delay will not cause a catastrophic doom to the world but it will most likely assist in saving our economy.
My guess is you do not understand the financial hardships of millions of Canadians living paycheck to paycheck only to see another cost of living increase in the name of climate change that will do nothing to alter climate change.
Nobody likes the word 'tax', but it was my understanding that 90% of the money collected was being returned to households and 10% to businesses. So there's that.

But you give yourself, and your real motives, away by stating that climate change actions - like the carbon tax, electric vehicles, and moving away from fuels that increase greenhouse gases, etc - "will do nothing to alter climate change". You don't accept that mitigation actions are necessary today and you won't accept it in 3 to 7 years either.
 

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Nobody likes the word 'tax', but it was my understanding that 90% of the money collected was being returned to households and 10% to businesses. .
You actually believe that?
Just to add the administration costs which is very high comes directly from the tax collected. I did mention that the carbon tax is a compound tax, it increases every time a different business touched the product. You could have 4 to 7 carbon taxes on one product you purchase, one of the reasons for our high inflation rate and cost of groceries.
 
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Nobody likes the word 'tax', but it was my understanding that 90% of the money collected was being returned to households and 10% to businesses. So there's that.

But you give yourself, and your real motives, away by stating that climate change actions - like the carbon tax, electric vehicles, and moving away from fuels that increase greenhouse gases, etc - "will do nothing to alter climate change". You don't accept that mitigation actions are necessary today and you won't accept it in 3 to 7 years either.
You really do believe everything the government tells including about covid mandates and vaccines. Use some critical thinking here please. If 90% of taxes collected are really returned then why collect in the first place? Does not make any sense. The reality is the money is being used by politicians like Trudeau to live a life of luxury while he makes everything for ppl living paycheck to paycheck even more expensive. Also every April the carbon tax goes up, all MPs in parliament get a big pay raise while ppl struggling to pay bills got to pay more for everything. That is a big slap in the face. See the scam here.

 
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You really do believe everything the government tells including about covid mandates and vaccines. Use some critical thinking here please. If 90% of taxes collected are really returned then why collect in the first place? Does not make any sense. The reality is the money is being used by politicians like Trudeau to live a life of luxury while he makes everything for ppl living paycheck to paycheck even more expensive. Also every April the carbon tax goes up, all MPs in parliament get a big pay raise while ppl struggling to pay bills got to pay more for everything. That is a big slap in the face. See the scam here.

What I post is what I believe so please refrain from opining about what you think I believe. The carbon tax was created to encourage energy producers and users to move away from carbon-based fuels. There is no evidence to support your outrageous allegations about the PM and MPs. Please stick to facts and evidence and not your wild, unfounded imagination.
 

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What I post is what I believe so please refrain from opining about what you think I believe. The carbon tax was created to encourage energy producers and users to move away from carbon-based fuels. There is no evidence to support your outrageous allegations about the PM and MPs. Please stick to facts and evidence and not your wild, unfounded imagination.
You are dodging. I stated facts. So I ask again if households get 90% of the carbon taxes back then why collect in the first place? And I posted many times data from the Canadian Federal government website and facts prove the carbon tax had no affect on reducing carbon emissions.


You say energy producers move away from carbon fuel but that is also false. They just pass on the cost to the customer as we seen how everything is costing more including heating your home. Why does Volkswagen need a $13 billion subsidy to build a battery factory if carbon taxes are so effective?


Volkswagen is cutting EV production as demand craters. Demand stays up so long as taxpayers money is being funnelled. Green tech is on life support. You cannot tax a nation to prosperity. How much more facts do you need?
 
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You are dodging. I stated facts. So I ask again if households get 90% of the carbon taxes back then why collect in the first place? And I posted many times data from the Canadian Federal government website and facts prove the carbon tax had no affect on reducing carbon emissions.


You say energy producers move away from carbon fuel but that is also false. They just pass on the cost to the customer as we seen how everything is costing more including heating your home. Why does Volkswagen need a $13 billion subsidy to build a battery factory if carbon taxes are so effective?


Volkswagen is cutting EV production as demand craters. Demand stays up so long as taxpayers money is being funnelled. Green tech is on life support. You cannot tax a nation to prosperity. How much more facts do you

This exchange has become pointless and boring. Nothing either one of us posts will change the mind of the other or make this any less inane. I'll continue to post truths and facts about climate change, and you can do whatever it is that you are doing. Have a nice day.
 

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This exchange has become pointless and boring. Nothing either one of us posts will change the mind of the other or make this any less inane. I'll continue to post truths and facts about climate change, and you can do whatever it is that you are doing. Have a nice day.
For once I agree with you. I too will continue to post facts and challenge far-left propaganda about the climate change hoax.
 

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