Climate change

[Womaniser]

Now it's been reported that over 1300 are dead and about 100 remain hospitalized. During this year's pilgrimage temperatures reached 120 degree F in Mecca.

And that's the temperature in the shade ! Crazy to hold the pilgrimage in those conditions and even more to attend it !
I stopped being slave of religion in primary school when they teached that if the worst criminal asked for pardon to God just before his death, he would go to Paradise !

 

[wetnose]

Why you won't be seeing snow crabs at the buffet anytime soon...

Scientists have more evidence to explain why billions of crabs vanished around Alaska

Warmer, ice-free conditions in the southeast Bering Sea are roughly 200 times more likely now than before humans began burning planet-warming fossil fuels.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Womaniser]

Why you won't be seeing snow crabs at the buffet anytime soon...

Scientists have more evidence to explain why billions of crabs vanished around Alaska

Warmer, ice-free conditions in the southeast Bering Sea are roughly 200 times more likely now than before humans began burning planet-warming fossil fuels.

www.yahoo.com

For those living on planet earth, Los Angeles will see the temperature reaching 45°C today, a new record.
A large percentage of USA have seen extreme heat periods this summer.

 

[ThunderLipps]

For those living on planet earth, Los Angeles will see the temperature reaching 45°C today, a new record.
A large percentage of USA have seen extreme heat periods this summer.

I sure wish the climate change would take effect around here, not ideal summer for a long time.

 

[Womaniser]

I sure wish the climate change would take effect around here, not ideal summer for a long time.

However plenty of heat and humidity !

 

[Jazzman1218]

I sure wish the climate change would take effect around here, not ideal summer for a long time.

You may be confusing climate with weather. Climate is weather over time.

 

[Albacor]

Good luck man with climat change!
Canada and USA annonced 100% tarif on Chinese EV. If there is no competition, the price of EV remains high, who can afford them? So the majority of the population will keep their old combustion cars.
Tell me that the governments cares about climat chages? LOL.

 

[gaby]

Can't agree more...

 

[Womaniser]

I don't see anything wrong with that. If it can keep crapy quality products from flooding the market... good.
We got enough poorly made crap coming in from China already. Creating a low cost vehicles from a country with the worst approach to quality control really isn't something that should be allowed in the first place.

And not respecting human rights in many domains.

 

[ThunderLipps]

However plenty of heat and humidity !

Heat? Pretty sure one of the coolest summers I can remember except for the +40 heatwave we had a couple of months ago.

 

[Womaniser]

Heat? Pretty sure one of the coolest summers I can remember except for the +40 heatwave we had a couple of months ago.

Where were you in June ? Quebec had two heat waves confirmed by Environment Canada.
July and August were normal or close, not winter underwear needed ! More rain certainly.

 

[ThunderLipps]

Where were you in June ? Quebec had two heat waves confirmed by Environment Canada.
July and August were normal or close, not winter underwear needed ! More rain certainly.

Was here in June, after that the summer has not been great, warmer out west as they have 30 now with mornings at 20, I wake up here at 8 and it goes to 20ish. Not summer weather IMO.

 

[ThunderLipps]

You may be confusing climate with weather. Climate is weather over time.

I understand the difference it was a joke about wanting a warmer summer.

 

[Womaniser]

Was here in June, after that the summer has not been great, warmer out west as they have 30 now with mornings at 20, I wake up here at 8 and it goes to 20ish. Not summer weather IMO.

You should move to Earth ! 2024 summer has been the hotest ever.
Except where you live !

 

[CLOUD 500]

I don't see anything wrong with that. If it can keep crapy quality products from flooding the market... good.
We got enough poorly made crap coming in from China already. Creating a low cost vehicles from a country with the worst approach to quality control really isn't something that should be allowed in the first place.

The public should decide if they want to buy a made in China EV or not. At the end it is the public that will pay for these types of protectionist policies. It will mean much higher prices for EVs. It will impact the poor the most. Given the choice between a cheap EV and taking the bus, it might be preferable to get a cheap EV. Again such decisions are personal and should be left to the individual, not the state. A tariff is a tax.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I am not saying to encourage it but I am also not saying to discourage it. When government intervenes it is always to the detriment of the working class. All it does is it limits competition, limits the choice the customer has and they end up paying more and not always for the better. Just as an example, for every product there is a low quality option and a high quality option. Take for example ketchup, one can buy the Heinz brand from your local supermarket or buy a cheap no name brand Ketchup from the Dollar store. Sure the price difference will be significant, but the difference in taste will be equally significant. Even the quality of the ingredients will be very different. I experimented with canola oil, hairgel and it just was not the same. But ultimately the free market will decide. There is demand for both. Some choose to buy cheap things while others choose quality things. Quality or cheap, it should be the customer who decides, not the government. It is kind of like when the STCUM planned to order the new metros, government favored Bombardier for the contract vs companies from other countries like Alstom who were able to produce the same product if not better for cheaper. Bombardier is an example of a poor company due to government favoritism. A lot of their products got flaws and they are consistently behind schedule on delivery. But I mention this only to point out how government intervening to favoring one over another is always to the detriment to the public. One last thing, these tariffs is nothing but political theater to score votes. Both Progressives and Conservatives are doing it and both are wrong. They are not doing it for the benefit of the public while they rake in millions with tariffs.

 

[Mandouke]

We have a responsibility to control the quality and impacts of the products we allow in our markets. Just because something can be made cheaply doesn't mean we should encourage it. Chinese-made products often have a history of leaving a significant negative environmental and social footprint. This is largely due to skipped regulatory measures, allowing them to produce at lower costs and flood markets with basement-priced goods. Instead, we should prioritize quality solutions that align with higher standards, both for the environment and for the people involved in production.

That is very well said and once a reality in Canada.

Some of you older gentlemen may remember a day when we produced consumer goods of the highest quality in Canada. It was not long ago, the 1970s and early 80s come to mind.

I still own a pair of men's Kodiak steel-toed workboots and a suede jacket, both made in Canada of the highest quality.

There is not a blemish on either of the products and they are both still in my wardrobe. This is a testament to the above statement by neverbored.

 

[ThunderLipps]

You should move to Earth ! 2024 summer has been the hotest ever.
Except where you live !

I am not talking about the world temp, I am talking about the temp around Montreal. I have never spent so little time in the pool due to chilly water or turn the heat on twice in Aug. I repeat, not talking about global temperatures.

 

[ThunderLipps]

The public should decide if they want to buy a made in China EV or not. At the end it is the public that will pay for these types of protectionist policies. It will mean much higher prices for EVs. It will impact the poor the most. Given the choice between a cheap EV and taking the bus, it might be preferable to get a cheap EV. Again such decisions are personal and should be left to the individual, not the state. A tariff is a tax.

China has a good EV ( reviews say it is great ) which would have had selling price of $16 k US and be affordable to many low income people and according to the climate alarmist slow climate change. Now the same EV will be $32 k and out of reach for millions.

 

[CLOUD 500]

The thing is people want cheap things. Take for example clothes, no one wants to pay $300 for a pair of pants if it can be had for $100. Interesting you mention the power grid which is a very important consideration, yet government is shoving EV cars down our throats and forcing car manufacturers to produce more EV vehicles and reduce the amount of IC vehicles being produced. And do not forget government's and corporations greed for rapidly increasing population will also further increase the demands on the power grid, that is no secret. The targets set by the government are unrealistic which is more proof that government intervening is making things worse. I agree with you that the transition must be slowed down, but what to do? Left-wing governments are forcing this on everyone.

These things should be left to the free market, they will find the best solution. Look at the horse drawn carriage, the IC engine replaced them all and no government forced rules were needed, the free market came up with a better product and it caught on. Believe it or not but during the early 20th century the electric trolley bus and even electric cars were out first. The first electric car was built during the 1840s and the first practical electric car was made in 1890 and the performance was impressive for the time. Electric trolley buses dominated the public transit landscape throughout much of the early 20th century till the late 50s. So what happened? The free market came up with a far better product, the IC engine more specifically the Ford Model T. It was much cheaper, had much longer range, did not rely on electric grids, and could be refueled within minutes. It was not really till WW2 that the IC engine really caught on and especially when the electric started motor was invented, it meant the doom of electric cars. The infrastructure used for refueling started from buying motor fuel, naptha, and benzene from hardware stores and pharmacies (which came from the byproduct of kerosene production) until government prohibited stores from selling gas at the pharmacies and hardware stores and the dedicated gas station was invented. In the 60s, IC buses rapidly replaced all electric trolley buses due to massive advantages. Montreal had electric trolley buses up to the late 50s and then all were removed. So the point of the history lesson? Is that government never forced IC engines, the free market came up with a better product and it caught on.

I believe that when free market comes up with an EV that is better and cheaper then the IC engine then only then will it really catch on and infrastructure will be built. Government should stay out of it. And your last sentence is golden, EVs are far from an eco friendly solution, it takes diesel to mine the materials to build the batteries and a lot of cheap foreign labor is used to mine the minerals.