In NY we've been required to wear masks indoors and outdoors when you can't keep at least 6 feet apart. It's become second nature, like remembering to bring your keys with you when you leave the house. I keep one in the car just in case I forget it when I leave my home.
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Sweden will still be a nice place to visit, after the Covid-19 pandemic is brought under control. And Swedish ladies are still gorgeous. 
For now, let's all play it safe and follow the science.
Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale
"Its decision to carry on in the face of the pandemic has yielded a surge of deaths without sparing its economy from damage — a red flag as the United States and Britain move to lift lockdowns."
www.nytimes.com
"Ever since the coronavirus emerged in Europe, Sweden has captured international attention by conducting an unorthodox, open-air experiment. It has allowed the world to examine what happens in a pandemic when a government allows life to carry on largely unhindered.
This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”"
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"More than three months later, the coronavirus is blamed for 5,420 deaths in Sweden, according to the World Health Organization. That might not sound especially horrendous compared with the more than 129,000 Americans who have died. But Sweden is a country of only 10 million people. Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark."
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"Sweden’s central bank expects its economy to contract by 4.5 percent this year, a revision from a previously expected gain of 1.3 percent. The unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent in May from 7.1 percent in March. “The overall damage to the economy means the recovery will be protracted, with unemployment remaining elevated,” Oxford Economics concluded in a recent research note.
This is more or less how damage caused by the pandemic has played out in Denmark, where the central bank expects that the economy will shrink 4.1 percent this year, and where joblessness has edged up to 5.6 percent in May from 4.1 percent in March.
In short, Sweden suffered a vastly higher death rate while failing to collect on the expected economic gains."
For now, let's all play it safe and follow the science.Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale
"Its decision to carry on in the face of the pandemic has yielded a surge of deaths without sparing its economy from damage — a red flag as the United States and Britain move to lift lockdowns."
Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale (Published 2020)
Its decision to carry on in the face of the pandemic has yielded a surge of deaths without sparing its economy from damage — a red flag as the United States and Britain move to lift lockdowns.
"Ever since the coronavirus emerged in Europe, Sweden has captured international attention by conducting an unorthodox, open-air experiment. It has allowed the world to examine what happens in a pandemic when a government allows life to carry on largely unhindered.
This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”"
. . . .
"More than three months later, the coronavirus is blamed for 5,420 deaths in Sweden, according to the World Health Organization. That might not sound especially horrendous compared with the more than 129,000 Americans who have died. But Sweden is a country of only 10 million people. Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark."
. . . .
"Sweden’s central bank expects its economy to contract by 4.5 percent this year, a revision from a previously expected gain of 1.3 percent. The unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent in May from 7.1 percent in March. “The overall damage to the economy means the recovery will be protracted, with unemployment remaining elevated,” Oxford Economics concluded in a recent research note.
This is more or less how damage caused by the pandemic has played out in Denmark, where the central bank expects that the economy will shrink 4.1 percent this year, and where joblessness has edged up to 5.6 percent in May from 4.1 percent in March.
In short, Sweden suffered a vastly higher death rate while failing to collect on the expected economic gains."
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Sad thing in the US is that there are too many politicians and not one state or even county that wants to agree with another.
They can’t even seem to adopt the policy of a couple of the states that have done things to curb the virus and are doing well.
They haven’t even been able to learn from countries who have obviously done things right.
We are now 5 months into this, perhaps it is time to listen to the health professionals and adopt the policy’s of the more successful countries, it is also time to stop this individuals selfishness and downright stubborn attitude by the people themselves of I won’t be told by anyone what to do.
I have always admired the US and it’s people on their patriotism and how they could face things head on and united as a country and people.
This time however they have not shown any leadership and continue this shit show of stubbornness and reckless regard for their fellow citizens,
It is not an excuse that there are many other countries like Brazil who have the same shit show going on.
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They can’t even seem to adopt the policy of a couple of the states that have done things to curb the virus and are doing well.
They haven’t even been able to learn from countries who have obviously done things right.
We are now 5 months into this, perhaps it is time to listen to the health professionals and adopt the policy’s of the more successful countries, it is also time to stop this individuals selfishness and downright stubborn attitude by the people themselves of I won’t be told by anyone what to do.
I have always admired the US and it’s people on their patriotism and how they could face things head on and united as a country and people.
This time however they have not shown any leadership and continue this shit show of stubbornness and reckless regard for their fellow citizens,
It is not an excuse that there are many other countries like Brazil who have the same shit show going on.
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Joni Ernst says 130,000 COVID deaths under Trump is a success while 2 Ebola deaths under Obama is a failure
Fradi, I agree with your comment above. Being from NY I had to take this pandemic very seriously from the beginning. I’ve said this in previous comments, but I’m grateful to have a solid leader in my governor. Cuomo was not perfect, but he demanded extra hospital beds, ventilators, PPE’s, etc. from the beginning to make sure that nobody in NY would be denied a hospital bed if they needed one. He also portrayed a sense of leadership and kissed the feds ass when he had to so he could protect the people in his state. Our neighbors in Connecticut and New Jersey have A similar story to tell. My freedom, for lack of a better word, was taken away from me during the beginning of the pandemic. Stay at home, long lines to buy groceries, coordinating with friends and family to get a damn roll of toilet paper just to wipe my ass, finding paper towels, hand sanitizer, and the list goes on and on. All of this happening while you didn’t know if by wearing something as simple as a mask would protect us. But we wore them because our governor insisted that we do by executive order. He had a press conference every day and gave us the facts and we came out the other side of this going from worst to best in the country.
Having lived through this past winter in fear for my life on a daily basis I have learned to appreciate the easing of restrictions and going to the beach or playing a round of golf at the Bethpage Black Course. Not so much around the rest of the country.
Many states just didn’t take it seriously enough at the beginning. Trying to have people stay at home or socially distance themselves is going to be tough to do now. I think a lot of the problem is that for example in NY we had it really really bad in the beginning and it slowly got better. Other places were ok for months and it’s now just getting really bad. I’m guessing it’s going to be hard to convince people to change their ways now. Also, for now, the deaths aren’t on the increase so people may be getting a false sense of calm unlike In NY where death was everywhere and it was impossible to avoid it.
Having lived through this past winter in fear for my life on a daily basis I have learned to appreciate the easing of restrictions and going to the beach or playing a round of golf at the Bethpage Black Course. Not so much around the rest of the country.
Many states just didn’t take it seriously enough at the beginning. Trying to have people stay at home or socially distance themselves is going to be tough to do now. I think a lot of the problem is that for example in NY we had it really really bad in the beginning and it slowly got better. Other places were ok for months and it’s now just getting really bad. I’m guessing it’s going to be hard to convince people to change their ways now. Also, for now, the deaths aren’t on the increase so people may be getting a false sense of calm unlike In NY where death was everywhere and it was impossible to avoid it.
True as a general comment about the 50 states, but NY, CT and NJ have been acting in unison from Day 1. Just call them New Jersicut or the "Tri State Team":
New Jersey moves on from Tri-State Travel Advisory, is Connecticut next?
New Jersey announced Wednesday it is leaving what was formerly known at the Tri-State Travel Advisory.
abc7ny.com
Warning of serious brain disorders in people with mild Covid symptoms
Doctors may be missing signs of serious and potentially fatal brain disorders triggered by coronavirus, as they emerge in mildly affected or recovering patients, scientists have warned.
Neurologists are on Wednesday publishing details of more than 40 UK Covid-19 patients whose complications ranged from brain inflammation and delirium to nerve damage and stroke. In some cases, the neurological problem was the patient’s first and main symptom ...
... “We’re seeing things in the way Covid-19 affects the brain that we haven’t seen before with other viruses,” said Michael Zandi, a senior author on the study and a consultant at the institute and University College London Hospitals NHS foundation trust.
“What we’ve seen with some of these Adem patients, and in other patients, is you can have severe neurology, you can be quite sick, but actually have trivial lung disease,” he added.
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Apart from fatalities, many doctors now fear that Covid-19 will leave behind an entire generation of disabled people. Contrary to what many think, there are many health conditions that cannot be diagnosed without invasive procedures. Doctors often don’t know what is causing their patients’ symptoms.
www.theguardian.com
Doctors may be missing signs of serious and potentially fatal brain disorders triggered by coronavirus, as they emerge in mildly affected or recovering patients, scientists have warned.
Neurologists are on Wednesday publishing details of more than 40 UK Covid-19 patients whose complications ranged from brain inflammation and delirium to nerve damage and stroke. In some cases, the neurological problem was the patient’s first and main symptom ...
... “We’re seeing things in the way Covid-19 affects the brain that we haven’t seen before with other viruses,” said Michael Zandi, a senior author on the study and a consultant at the institute and University College London Hospitals NHS foundation trust.
“What we’ve seen with some of these Adem patients, and in other patients, is you can have severe neurology, you can be quite sick, but actually have trivial lung disease,” he added.
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Apart from fatalities, many doctors now fear that Covid-19 will leave behind an entire generation of disabled people. Contrary to what many think, there are many health conditions that cannot be diagnosed without invasive procedures. Doctors often don’t know what is causing their patients’ symptoms.
Warning of serious brain disorders in people with mild Covid symptoms
UK neurologists publish details of mildly affected or recovering patients with serious or potentially fatal brain conditions
www.theguardian.com
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COVID-19: une clinique mobile à Mercier le 9 juillet
La Ville de Mercier confirme mardi qu’une clinique de dépistage mobile se tiendra le 9 juillet prochain au centre communautaire Roger-Tougas.
www.lapresse.ca
Saying to be very concerned about the magnitude of the events that have followed one another in the past few days, the City of Mercier asked the Montérégie Public Health Department that a mobile screening clinic be dispatched to the territory.
The information was confirmed in a press release on Tuesday afternoon.
"We are very pleased with the rapid response from the public health department and we offer them all of our logistical support," said Mercier mayor Lise Michaud.
Recall that the origin of a possible outbreak would be at least two parties, including one held in Saint-Chrysostome or sixty young people were present on June 28.
The Montérégie Public Health Department told La Presse that people present at a party in Saint-Chrysostome and another party elsewhere on the South Shore were declared positive at COVID-19.
Many young people do not think of others and especially of all the collateral damage.
Which means that the coronavirus is still present.
We must not let our guard down.
COVID-19: une clinique mobile à Mercier le 9 juillet
La Ville de Mercier confirme mardi qu’une clinique de dépistage mobile se tiendra le 9 juillet prochain au centre communautaire Roger-Tougas.
Many young people do not think of others and especially of all the collateral damage.
They never have. Why does this surprise people. Fiscal irresponsibility, Promiscuous sex, excessive drinking, experimenting with drugs, reckless driving (at least males) and hence why young males pay some of the highest insurance rates. This is all in line with the Scorpion and the Frog fable. We need to plan around human nature and not the other way around.
By the way, we were like them in our youth (at least most of us). We just can't remember or see past our new found wisdom that comes with age ...
Yes Fromtheoutside, I agree with you.
There are all possibilities, but I think that in the bars the most important would be the consumption of alcohol.
OMG, yes in my twenties I was irresponsible. Today I'm a dad, and if my childrens were doing what I was doing, I would be totally discouraged.
As Confusius said "the wise man learns from his mistakes, and the even wiser man learns from the mistakes of others"
The Coronavirus is still there, and very contagous.
Trump rebukes Fauci: We are in a good place on Covid-19
This YouTube video is alarming. Dr. Fauci said that if one continues to deny the existence of the coronavirus, in November there will be 208,000 dead.
Now I'm afraid!!!
^ Yes, you should be afraid. Fauci's pronouncements should be taken with utmost seriousness, his track record is impeccable.
https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/...f-how-wrong-dr-fauci-has-been-on-coronavirus/
https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/...f-how-wrong-dr-fauci-has-been-on-coronavirus/
Actually Fauci is much more at fault than Bunker Boy.
Bunker Boy can claim ignorance as he is not a highly regarded medical professional, just an arrogant egotistical prick like most politicians.
Fauci on the other hand has been a spineless yes man downplaying this whole shit show from early February and only recently since it is obvious that it is getting completely out of control has he suddenly grown a bit of balls to speak like a medical professional instead of a brown nose.
Coronavirus: Upward of 8,000 state prison inmates to be released in wake of San Quentin outbreak
Plan announced as lawmakers, inmates and advocates have put relentless pressure on governor to stem rampant spread of COVID-19 in California’s most prominent prison.
www.mercurynews.com
Coronavirus: Upward of 8,000 state prison inmates to be released in wake of San Quentin outbreak.
Gov. Gavin Newsom’s administration on Friday green-lighted the early release of more than 8,000 state prison inmates in response to surging COVID-19 infections in California prisons, in essence conceding their inability to control the virus among the incarcerated.
The releases, set to occur on a “rolling basis” between now and the end of August, will involve low-level offenders and older inmates who officials say pose less risk to public safety.
An as-yet-uncertain number of those may actually have the virus at the time of release and will be moved into quarantine; others will be infection-free but are being released because the state cannot guarantee their safety while in prison.
Criminals are being turned loose on society in all States, not just California, although that is a very significant release. We are getting into every man for himself mode.
Did they ever say why Trumps idiot attorney landed back in jail after being released because of covid early release?
He ate at a restaurant in NYC which was a VOP, when he was supposed to be confined to home. I am guessing his wife's cooking sucks and he tired of it.
It seems like trumps inner circle has this “I can get away and do what ever I want.” Dude went to jail. Got lucky and was released to home and wow, now this..
Just to point out, the states with ultra high infection rates in the beginning are now the ones being the better state for infections, makes you wonder about herd immunity as some people dismiss.
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