Disturbing Tendencies at Agencies

[Carl.is.Jung]

Nah I am quite comfortable with who I am and way too old to change.
I don’t get upset proof is my age. People who let things get to them die young.

If only you knew how strong my mitochondria are.... Someone's smiling.

 

[Rebaynia]

This is well said. Absent a survey of some kind or someone at Euphoria with a race/ethnic-based restriction coming forward to offer an explanation, we aren't privy to the reasons behind anyone's given restriction (nor are we owed any). For that reason, while the discrimination component in the definition of "racism" is evident, I'm hesitant to shame, stigmatize, or malign anyone as "racist" based solely on the available information.

This is a service, yes, but it is rather a unique one due to its intimate nature and the complexities surrounding personal and bodily autonomy, safety—both physical and psychological—and specific power dynamics that may disadvantage the provider. Relatedly, the legal protections and avenues for recourse differ significantly in this context. Therefore, I believe that: 1) service providers should be granted the maximum discretion in choosing their clients, and 2) comparing discrimination in this context to discrimination in other service industries is likely to be a flawed apples and oranges comparison.

While I acknowledge that deep-rooted historical prejudices, unconscious bias, and systemic inequality are significant issues our society must address, I don’t believe that making service providers universally inclusive will make a dent in resolving these problems. Moreover, expecting them to sacrifice their own interests, which may or may not include mitigating risk to personal safety, to further a utopian vision of "the greater good" is wrong.

That is where I currently stand on this matter; I'm open to changing my mind. Do note that I am a non-provider/client from a racial minority group, so take what I said for what it's worth and sorry to prolong an already drawn-out thread.

I think everyone already settled on your body your choice. That is why it no longer continues to be spoken on. It just leaves the topic of what the message portrays, and everyone seems to need to educate.

Now seems to have 1 topic of sports and race, and 1 topic of racism and wether it is called racism if it is hate against white. And another line about joking how long this is getting.

 

[Fradi]

If only you knew how strong my mitochondria are.... Someone's smiling.

I think mitochondria cells go into a frenzy and multiply out of control every time you make a friend from a new nationality, that could explain it.
Glad it is working for you.

 

[WC3000]

This thread has gone way off the rails. Mods should lock this one up.

 

[Jordd]

Go to Europe and see that in full view.

I went through an agency in Nigeria and most of the girls had a strict policy of "No whites. No Asians." Let me tell you there slim pickings.

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

I think mitochondria cells go into a frenzy and multiply out of control every time you make a friend from a new nationality, that could explain it.
Glad it is working for you.

Mitochondria are not cells bud.
But hey, you know best.

 

[Jordd]

The racism experienced in Canada is minuscule compared to other parts of the world and people are not dying in health care because of racism they are dying because our health care is piss poor due to decades of governments both federal and provincial miss management
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They will see you in the emergency at every hospital no matter what colour you are and even if you are not Canadian so that is false , you might die by the time they get to you though.

I did mention the indigenous people they have a legitimate claim to extreme racism.

Not totally true. There is systemic racism towards indigenous patients throughout Canada. There was a case all over the media not too long ago in Quebec. The woman died as a result of discrimination. Everyone else waits forever for care, but at least aren’t neglected and insulted.

 

[Jordd]

I don't understand what you're talking about. Who was killed because they were white???
Of course I know that some people who are considered white now were killed in the past because of their religion and how they were considered ethnically different. I'm not stupid. I'm talking about the situation in Canada. Also, note that the people who are white but different who were killed because of it were not considered entirely white at the time.

Thank you for mentioning you were referring to Canada. It also applies to the USA.
But that wouldn’t be the case in many parts of the world. Off the top of my head China, Vietnam, India, Japan. You don’t even have to go that far. Not sure whites would be welcome with open arms in some indigenous circles or black neighbourhoods in America.

 

[Fradi]

Not totally true. There is systemic racism towards indigenous patients throughout Canada. There was a case all over the media not too long ago in Quebec. The woman died as a result of discrimination. Everyone else waits forever for care, but at least aren’t neglected and insulted

The key word was minuscule compared to the rest of the world.
You are talking about one unfortunate lady ( probably many more that were hushed up) that should never have happened. That incident I am well aware of as it was all over the news. and I did mention that there is racism in Canada.
You will always have racism it is an unfortunate dark side of humanity and it effects all nationalities and races.
How many cases have you heard that were white but couldn’t speak French,
I can name you one my mother her English wasn’t that great either.
Should I now hate all French Canadians and stop seeing my ATF or another young lady that I am fond of?

I will always keep to my belief that you should treat everyone the way you would want them to treat you that is as simple as you can get and it works for me.

 

[Michelle Gunn]

This is a service, yes, but it is rather a unique one due to its intimate nature and the complexities surrounding personal and bodily autonomy, safety—both physical and psychological—and specific power dynamics that may disadvantage the provider. Relatedly, the legal protections and avenues for recourse differ significantly in this context. Therefore, I believe that: 1) service providers should be granted the maximum discretion in choosing their clients, and 2) comparing discrimination in this context to discrimination in other service industries is likely to be a flawed apples and oranges comparison.

While I acknowledge that deep-rooted historical prejudices, unconscious bias, and systemic inequality are significant issues our society must address, I don’t believe that making service providers universally inclusive will make a meaningful dent in resolving these problems. Moreover, expecting them to sacrifice their own interests, which may or may not include mitigating risk to personal safety, to further a utopian vision of "the greater good" is wrong.

That is where I currently stand on this matter; I'm open to changing my mind. Do note that I am a client/non-provider from a racial minority group, so take what I said for what it's worth and sorry to prolong an already drawn-out thread.

1) I believe this too, and I don't think anyone has said otherwise. Being said, if you truly want the most discretion possible as a SP, an agency is not the place to find it...
2) It is a unique service industry, but discrimination is discrimination is discrimination, and it won't go away if we ignore it. The first step towards resolution of the issue is to admit there is a problem.

 

[Jordd]

What, you have no Native American/Indigenous friend?

I have United Statian friend!

 

[Jordd]

The key word was minuscule compared to the rest of the world.
You are talking about one unfortunate lady ( probably many more that were hushed up) that should never have happened. That incident I am well aware of as it was all over the news. and I did mention that there is racism in Canada.
You will always have racism it is an unfortunate dark side of humanity and it effects all nationalities and races.
How many cases have you heard that were white but couldn’t speak French,
I can name you one my mother her English wasn’t that great either.

Sorry about your mother, but unfortunately there will be more cases to come with the way the govt is enforcing the use of French even if the recipient doesn’t understand it. Go figure!

 

[Jordd]

It is very minuscule compared to the rest of the world and that is what I was comparing it to, simple mathematics lol. Canada has 38- 40 million population how many died because of racism in health care or in total because of racism.
You want to compare that to just a small little part called Gaza.
Most people should be so lucky to live here in Canada, racism here is alive for sure but nothing compared to the rest of the world.

Um the crown slaughtered like 100 million natives in America, Africa, Asia, everywhere except the moon maybe.

 

[Jordd]

The black guys Thompson recruited probably would have received scholarship offers from most other Division 1 colleges (the vast majority of them anyway). I would suggest he left a couple of NCAA championships on the table by his recruiting- might have been different if he offered a couple of white sharpshooters scholarships, because that's what his 1983 and 1985 teams that fell short could have used. The bottom line is that if he recruited normally or non-racially for typical basketball roster construction he would have had probably 25-30 white kids (conservative estimate) graduate during his tenure, with a great degree and also improve the floor spacing on some of his shooting challenged teams. I am sure he probably thought he could win with the defense his all black teams played, and they did win a lot, but he did leave a few championships on the table and left lots of white shooters without scholarships, who would have helped those teams that fell short.

Then he is a great man as he was going against the tide to help his people. He won in the greater game of life.

 

[Fradi]

Sorry about your mother, but unfortunately there will be more cases to come with the way the govt is enforcing the use of French even if the recipient doesn’t understand it. Go figure!

Yes but that is life.
I have worked for many years in a company where 90% of the employees were born in the same country as I was including the owner and let me tell you that the time I spent working with French Canadians was a hundred times better.
It always comes down to individuals not to a certain race or colour. I was lucky enough to travel all over the world live in a few countries and play sports with so many different nationalities.
Racism exists everywhere you just try to stay away from it as much as possible.

 

[Jordd]

I already said, it's true that people of other races can hate white people because they view us as oppressors. I agree with you on this.
Is this racism? No. The history of racism is complex and race is a social contruct that was created by ppl of european descent to feel superior to certain groups of people and to allow genocides and other types of violence to happen. How do you not understand this? The system here is made by and for white people and for men. I understand that yes, there are ppl who hate white folks because they view us as oppressors like I said. In my opinion this isn't racism. I think it could be discrimination in some contexts tho.

I can't blame for example a black woman for having negative feelings towards me because I get more privileges than she does. It's not fun being disliked by anybody, but it's something I can understand.

Good point, but if you go to Africa or China, they will hate you, because you’re white.

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

The first step towards resolution of the issue is to admit there is a problem.

Amen.

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

Not totally true. There is systemic racism towards indigenous patients throughout Canada. There was a case all over the media not too long ago in Quebec. The woman died as a result of discrimination. Everyone else waits forever for care, but at least aren’t neglected and insulted.

Yeah she streamed herself live on FB while in the ER screaming in agony. One of the nurses was caught saying something along the lines that she was probably just knocked up again.... Then she died in the next few hours. Terrible.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I went through an agency in Nigeria and most of the girls had a strict policy of "No whites. No Asians." Let me tell you there slim pickings.

Lol Not sure I believe that for a minute. Nigerian women love White men. In fact a White men that goes there, the women will want to marry him. No Asian men I believe that but Asian men are not into Black women at all. Any link to a Nigerian escort agency with that listed? And that would be weird also because the White men would be the one with the money to spend on escorts.

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

Lol Not sure I believe that for a minute. Nigerian women love White men. In fact a White men that goes there, the women will want to marry him. No Asian men I believe that but Asian men are not into Black women at all. Any link to a Nigerian escort agency with that listed? And that would be weird also because the White men would be the one with the money to spend on escorts.

Except that...

Racist Hollywood...