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Do you ask questions just to masturbate to the answers?
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The pursuit of knowledge can be sexy.
 
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He’s been asking those questions for over a year and I don’t think it’s because he cares to improve his bedroom skills
You have advices to improve bedroom skills? :p
 
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Are physically unattractive men overrepresented in your clientele vs the general population? In other words, if we picked 100 escort client at random and 100 men at a supermarket downtown, which group would contain the most unattractive men?
 

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Are physically unattractive men overrepresented in your clientele vs the general population? In other words, if we picked 100 escort client at random and 100 men at a supermarket downtown, which group would contain the most unattractive men?
I'm going to answer this one because I feel like there are many insecurities behind it, not just yours but a lot of men's. Honestly what is attractive is subjective and I think if you picked 100 men from random supermarkets and 100 escort clients you could never tell them apart.

A lot more men than you think hire escorts once in a while or try it at a phase of their lives, but most men are not on the internet reading about sex workers constantly.. attractiveness isn't what distinguishes regular clients of sex workers and other men.. what makes a difference is more psychological in my opinion.

Depending on the person the difference between "regular men" and men who hire many escorts is in terms of mental health, personal struggles & happiness, social skills, tendencies to have addictions, neurological differences and levels of empathy and anti-social behavior..
 
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I think I agree with your answer. We would get starker differences in personality traits, but I'm still curious regarding physical attractiveness. Actually to know the answer we would need a panel of neutral observers to rate the subjects on a scale of 1 to 10 (this type of experiment  has been done in psychology in various contexts). My question is not without merit.
what is attractive is subjective
This is a very common misconception so dont take it personally. Attractiveness is partly subjective and partly objective (universal). In men, a symmetrical face and broad shoulders have been shown to be universally attractive.
 
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I think I agree with your answer. We would get starker differences in personality traits, but I'm still curious regarding physical attractiveness. Actually to know the answer we would need a panel of neutral observers to rate the subjects on a scale of 1 to 10 (this type of experiment  has been done in psychology in various contexts). My question is not without merit.

This is a very common misconception so dont take it personally. Attractiveness is partly subjective and partly objective (universal). In men, a symmetrical face and broad shoulders have been shown to be universally attractive.
What is considered attractive depends on many factors.. culture, specific social groups etc. growing up I was more in alternative groups and what girls found attractive were effeminate slender men. In other groups guys with dad bods and beards and tattoos are seen as attractive.

I knew what you meant by attractive and my answer remains the same. If you pick 100 men from a grocery store and 100 clients of escorts you won't be able to tell them apart.
 

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What is considered attractive depends on many factors.. culture, specific social groups etc. growing up I was more in alternative groups and what girls found attractive were effeminate slender men. In other groups guys with dad bods and beards and tattoos are seen as attractive.

I knew what you meant by attractive and my answer remains the same. If you pick 100 men from a grocery store and 100 clients of escorts you won't be able to tell them apart.
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I'm not praising clients by saying this or trying to appease anybody. I said what I said, escort clients are not less attractive. They're not more attractive, either. Obviously very attractive young men are much less likely to book escorts on a regular basis... But chances are some of them still tried to see a sex worker at some point or they will when they're older.

One thing I want to mention is that something that plays a big factor in how attractive a man is perceived is charm and style or level of extroversion.. A guy could have symmetrical features and broad shoulders and be awkward and shy. I've seen men like this as clients and they were really inexperienced with women.
 
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Then surely  regular escort clients must be less attractive on average if we assume that lack of success on the dating scene is one of the reasons that lead men to become regular clients. The only way that this could not be true is if other more powerful factors lead very attractive men to become regulars and I struggle to see what this could be.

I've always said that it's unfortunate that there is a lack of research on sex workers and their clients. Most of the research has been done on street based sex workers which does not always translate well to the incall/outcall agency model that we know. I'll try to find interesting studies.
 

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Then surely  regular escort clients must be less attractive on average if we assume that lack of success on the dating scene is one of the reasons that lead men to become regular clients. The only way that this could not be true is if other more powerful factors lead very attractive men to become regulars and I struggle to see what this could be.

I've always said that it's unfortunate that there is a lack of research on sex workers and their clients. Most of the research has been done on street based sex workers which does not always translate well to the incall/outcall agency model that we know. I'll try to find interesting studies.
The guys I've known that were most successful with women weren't the most attractive, they were just the least afraid to shoot their shot. Usually extroverts. Ask out 50 women, regardless of how attractive they are or you are, and one of them is bound to say yes.
 

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I'm not praising clients by saying this or trying to appease anybody. I said what I said, escort clients are not less attractive. They're not more attractive, either. Obviously very attractive young men are much less likely to book escorts on a regular basis... But chances are some of them still tried to see a sex worker at some point or they will when they're older.

One thing I want to mention is that something that plays a big factor in how attractive a man is perceived is charm and style or level of extroversion.. A guy could have symmetrical features and broad shoulders and be awkward and shy. I've seen men like this as clients and they were really inexperienced with women.
I met an sp where some reviews where mentioning her being shy and awkward but turned it round by talking about
 
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The guys I've known that were most successful with women weren't the most attractive, they were just the least afraid to shoot their shot. Usually extroverts. Ask out 50 women, regardless of how attractive they are or you are, and one of them is bound to say yes.
Physical attractiveness definitely plays a role in one's success in dating. There is a limit to which one can negate the obvious. For example, short men (less than 5'4") have a very high rate of celibacy. In addition, men are known to lie about their height (inflate by an inch or two) on dating app profiles. It has also been shown across virtually all cultures that women prefer men with broad shoulders.
 

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Then surely  regular escort clients must be less attractive on average if we assume that lack of success on the dating scene is one of the reasons that lead men to become regular clients. The only way that this could not be true is if other more powerful factors lead very attractive men to become regulars and I struggle to see what this could be.

I've always said that it's unfortunate that there is a lack of research on sex workers and their clients. Most of the research has been done on street based sex workers which does not always translate well to the incall/outcall agency model that we know. I'll try to find interesting studies.
But it's presumptuous to assume that lack of success on the dating scene is the main reason why men become regular clients of escorts and that the reason why men lack success in the dating scene is because they are physically unattractive. Obviously if men want to have a lot of sex with a lot of different women for free, being attractive and charming will help, but that's not the same as dating. A lot of clients who see escorts on a regular basis are between 40 and 70 and they have the money for it. A lot of them are already married, divorced or separated. The men who book escorts very very often usually book shorter appointments as well, which leaves little room for emotional connection and socializing.

I think someone who sees escorts very frequently certainly has a sex addiction or something that is lacking in their personal lives that they couldn't fulfill with regular dating and friendships. I think maybe some men tell themselves ''aw man, I don't have any success with dating so I will book an escort'' then they book 2,3,4,5,6.. they become addicted, they start writing reviews online, they become really invested in the world of escorting etc. This isn't about them not having success with dating anymore. I've had clients who told me they were lonely and had little luck with dating and they did book me a couple times and maybe 2 or 3 other escorts but this wasn't enough for them.. They moved on to something else. A lot of my clients just see me and a few other girls or they are ''loyal'' and when they want to see someone they choose to see me.. and it'll be for a period of time until they move on to something else. Or it's something they do on ''special occasions'' like during a vacation or for a holiday or their birthday or something.

You're forgetting that the vast majority of people could never afford to see escorts on a regular basis, even at low rates. I think if you have the money to book escorts all the time, it can be convenient to do this instead of working on yourself.. And I'm saying this with 0 judgement because there are definitely things I pay for on a regular basis that might not be the best thing for me and are sort of crutches, so I get it. (no, I am not talking about drugs)
 
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But it's presumptuous to assume that lack of success on the dating scene is the main reason why men become regular clients of escorts and that the reason why men lack success in the dating scene is because they are physically unattractive. Obviously if men want to have a lot of sex with a lot of different women for free, being attractive and charming will help, but that's not the same as dating. A lot of clients who see escorts on a regular basis are between 40 and 70 and they have the money for it. A lot of them are already married, divorced or separated. The men who book escorts very very often usually book shorter appointments as well, which leaves little room for emotional connection and socializing.

I think someone who sees escorts very frequently certainly has a sex addiction or something that is lacking in their personal lives that they couldn't fulfill with regular dating and friendships. It's interesting that a lot of women are not seen as attractive by society and they don't seek escort services, instead they work on their friendships, they focus on their family relationships and they practice various forms of self care. I know someone is going to say ''men would fuck anything that moves so these women can have the sex they want anyways'' but this is simply not what happens, these women aren't trying to seek sexual services or paid companionship, and they are not seeking sex with various men either unless they have other issues.

I think maybe some men tell themselves ''aw man, I don't have any success with dating so I will book an escort'' then they book 2,3,4,5,6.. they become addicted, they start writing reviews online, they become really invested in the world of escorting etc. This isn't about them not having success with dating anymore. I've had clients who told me they were lonely and had little luck with dating and they did book me a couple times and maybe 2 or 3 other escorts but this wasn't enough for them.. They moved on to something else. A lot of my clients just see me and a few other girls or they are ''loyal'' and when they want to see someone they choose to see me.. and it'll be for a period of time until they move on to something else. Or it's something they do on ''special occasions'' like during a vacation or for a holiday or their birthday or something.

You're forgetting that the vast majority of people could never afford to see escorts on a regular basis, even at low rates. I think if you have the money to book escorts all the time, it can be convenient to do this instead of working on yourself.. And I'm saying this with 0 judgement because there are definitely things I pay for on a regular basis that might not be the best thing for me and are sort of crutches, so I get it. (no, I am not talking about drugs)
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Physical attractiveness definitely plays a role in one's success in dating. There is a limit to which one can negate the obvious. For example, short men (less than 5'4") have a very high rate of celibacy. In addition, men are known to lie about their height (inflate by an inch or two) on dating app profiles. It has also been shown across virtually all cultures that women prefer men with broad shoulders.
Everyone has preferences. Guys need to stop thinking they're not good enough because they aren't "6/6/6" (at least 6 feet tall, 6 inch dick, and 6 figure salary). I had a coworker that looked like Danny Devito. He was in his early 20s - short, overweight, and balding. He had no problems dating though. He was funny, charming, and ambitious. Meanwhile my other coworker who was tall, skinny, full head of hair had difficulty dating because he was so damned awkward. If he had just a pinch of confidence, he could've been getting laid by a new women every night if he wanted.
 
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