I would try, but you don't seem great at listening to what others have to say.Feel free to elaborate on whatever you think I am! I would be more than happy to hear it!
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This is just it if you have something to say, say it, he did, what! somebody on an escort review board is going to disagree with you.
WTF end of the world how can you show your face in public anymore.
Fradi, being a SB involves different things but I agree with you. A lot of ppl want SBs because they want escort services for cheaper. However I've heard of people having arrangements that are advantageous for both parties.
SB lifestyle is glamorized and idealized and a lot of girls don't know what they're getting into unfortunately.. I don't blame them personally and don't feel threatened by them but I wish certain men would stop seeing SB sites as a way to get escort services for cheap and push boundaries. I knew a guy who was a SD and he was also in complete denial of what he was doing. He thought these girls were his girlfriends.
Not always, a lot of SBs are young and naive and have been told by friends that they will make a lot of money by just going to restaurants with men. A girl who already comes from a wealthy family, works as a model and has a good education, is not going to get the same type of treatment as a girl who's trying to make money on the side because she's in trouble financially and doesn't know what she's getting into. I've heard of young girls from wealthy families sugaring just for fun and for the glamour and meeting rich men and having the money to party all the time and to do whatever they want, but that's really not most girls who have a profile on these websites. I've met girls who told me the arrangements that were offered to them by their SD's and I was shocked by how exploitative it was for them. They just don't know what they're doing.
SD websites are also designed a little bit like they're dating sites. It's misleading and confusing for both parties, in a subtle way. I know nobody is stupid and they know what they are doing there, but what I mean by this is that the way apps and websites are designed still have impact on the brain. It can appear a lot more reassuring for a girl who has never escorted to use a SD website, even if nothing good comes out of it.
When I've taken breaks from escorting I signed up on seeking arrangements because I was wondering if it would be easier for me and honestly it's never been a good idea. I prefer escorting by far and I get a lot more respect and actually get taken on really nice dates. I never met anybody from there, was talked to in very disrespectful ways and was offered really bad arrangements and ''netflix and chill'' types of dates that were poorly compensated.
The (very few) people I know who have a SD and have a good arrangement with them met them in other ways (often through escorting or massage), or they just really got lucky.. Some people actually are in some type of romantic relationship but they decided that there would be an allowance for them to keep seeing each other so that the girl can pay for her studies or live a nice life, even if the dynamic is not 100% transactional..
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I think I will be like the Captain here and call it what it is.
They are not naive but stupid.
Any woman that believes a man will spend thousands of dollars on winning and dinning them and just wants to admire their beauty and to be around them without it including sex simply put is exceptionally stupid it goes far beyond being naive.
They no nothing about men.
I think both of you are making a lot of generalizations that have no applicability in reality. I have been on Seeking Arrangement and Sugar Daddy for over 10 years and met many women on that site (SA). There are all types on there ranging from professional escorts to trannies to regular girls next door who don't know exactly what they want or how to value it. I have met women who are the opposite of what Fradi thinks is on there who wanted very little money (less than escort market rate) for sex. While others did want $1000. The experience is so broad and varied that anyone who makes any kind of generalized declaration about it would be dead wrong. To me it's a big box of chocolates in which all are different inside.
I did once see a lady on there who was very young and inexperienced and after a while she told me if we had a non-intimate date she wanted nothing and if we had an intimate date I could pay her $200 or what I thought she was worth. I was kind of surprised by that offer. I think I did give her $300, for the intimacy.
I did once see a lady on there who was very young and inexperienced and after a while she told me if we had a non-intimate date she wanted nothing and if we had an intimate date I could pay her $200 or what I thought she was worth. I was kind of surprised by that offer. I think I did give her $300, for the intimacy.
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The only difference I see between an escort and a SB is that with an escort you cut out all the pretend bullshit and accept each other for who they are.
You are right though with a SB arrangement negotiations are expected and part of the game.
With an escort it is considered an insult. I much prefer the escort never was much for bullshit or haggling.
What assumptions?
They all want money for being with you, end of assumptions. The details are beside the point.
Remember the old joke about would you have sex with me if I give you a million dollars.
The answer being now that we know what you are we are just haggling over the price.
If you are able to find what you are looking for there then that is great.
Actually, even that assumption is not true. Some women are using SA as a dating website and state that they are looking for marriage or a relationship. Do they ultimately desire marriage to a richer man, yes. But that's not really wanting "money for being with you."
When I started on SA, I was getting many unsolicited messages from women in the Philippines. What they wanted was very different. They wanted to come to the United States. They wanted to make a connection who could make that happen. My profile at that time indicated I was an attorney so I may have unwittingly invited these messages. I think they wanted a sponsor or perhaps a sham marriage, or someone who could put one together so as to make that illegal immigration happen for them. Why do you think Trump got elected? Too many people using this kind of nonsense to get in to the USA.
I did one time respond to one of the unsolicited messages from one of the Philippine women. She was hot and I was curious as to what she would offer. She basically offered to do a porn video for me, live via FaceTime. When I protested that I was an in person kind of arrangement guy, her response, which I will never forget, was that "the internet brings people together and connects them." Or something to that effect. She also promised me I would ejaculate when I saw her porn show live on FaceTime.
I declined.
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The lady from the Philippines probably wanted a free ticket to the US and the bigger coveted prize of US citizenship down the line.
I have nothing against anybody paying for sexual services in what ever form shape or arrangement two consenting adults have.
Money is meant to be spent to make you happy.
I just don’t like the airs and bullshit attached to it.
I wonder do SD feel better about themselves being called that instead of Johns just like SB do instead of being called a prostitute.
I have nothing against anybody paying for sexual services in what ever form shape or arrangement two consenting adults have.
Money is meant to be spent to make you happy.
I just don’t like the airs and bullshit attached to it.
I wonder do SD feel better about themselves being called that instead of Johns just like SB do instead of being called a prostitute.
I might not be a great listener but I can assure you that I am actually a very good reader!
Okay here are a few questions for clients.
1- What made you decide to take the plunge and see a SP for the first time? Some friends of mine think all men have seen a SP once in their lives at least, but I'm not sure how true that is.
2- Why do you consider seeing escorts a hobby? What makes it comparable to other hobbies of yours? It's something I've always wondered since I joined the industry
3- What makes you enjoy participating in this forum aside from reading reviews?
1- What made you decide to take the plunge and see a SP for the first time? Some friends of mine think all men have seen a SP once in their lives at least, but I'm not sure how true that is.
2- Why do you consider seeing escorts a hobby? What makes it comparable to other hobbies of yours? It's something I've always wondered since I joined the industry
3- What makes you enjoy participating in this forum aside from reading reviews?
I didn’t know what I was getting into, I went to a very famous Massage Place at the time, and I got screwed!
1. 5 years after my wife passed away I felt that I needed to see if it would still feel great to be with a woman so I looked through hundreds of web sights and photographs and kept going back to the same one all the time. It took me about 6 months before I finally contacted her. She has been my ATF ever since.
2. I don’t consider it a hobby sports and chess are a hobby. The 2 ladies I see most often have become friends and I enjoy their company. Sex I consider to be an essential part to keep a man healthy both physically and mentally.
3. I am retired, my children work during the day and grandchildren are in daycare and school so I have a lot of time on my hands. It is just a form of entertainment, I can take it or leave it. I don’t take it seriously. Reviews don’t really interest me much I am quite capable to do my own research and I can always ask the 2 ladies I see to recommend one of their friends if I want a bit of variety or something different.
2. I don’t consider it a hobby sports and chess are a hobby. The 2 ladies I see most often have become friends and I enjoy their company. Sex I consider to be an essential part to keep a man healthy both physically and mentally.
3. I am retired, my children work during the day and grandchildren are in daycare and school so I have a lot of time on my hands. It is just a form of entertainment, I can take it or leave it. I don’t take it seriously. Reviews don’t really interest me much I am quite capable to do my own research and I can always ask the 2 ladies I see to recommend one of their friends if I want a bit of variety or something different.
The first time I read the term hobby to describe this activity I thought it was so appropriate: something that I do to entertain myself in my free time.
Compare to my other hobbies, well it similarly cost money and if I don’t restrain myself it can cost a lot, same as buying a too expensive boat or a too expensive guitar!
1- Wanting a foot job really badly, but the girlfriend at the time not really being good at giving them. It's hard to say if all men, or even most men have seen them, it's not really something I would mention to my friends. But there are those who openly mention, discuss it and hire together, so... I'm sure some haven't.
2- For me it's not a hobby, it's literally a sexual addiction -- same as how I flirt and go out to meet women. With escorts, though, I can essentially decide on the activity and the escort decides on the price. It's less fun than chasing, going out, having one night stands or hook ups through dating and all, but I like explaining what I'm into and getting that rather than romantically, organically building up to it.
I'd simply say I can be more honest with escorts because the fear of rejection isn't as important, it's essentially a business deal that is either accepted by both parties, or null and void. With seduction and all that, it's significantly more time consuming to "open up". For me, at least. Some people are probably much more straightforward, but my interests are far more kinky overall, but I still prefer seduction vs. the BDSM crew.
3- Since I don't talk about this to anyone, it's nice to see people who understand a part of my world that will probably stay forever hidden to my family and friends, etc... Obviously plenty of guys hire escorts and are aware of this world, but I've been doing it a long time, probably addicted at this point.
At first it was for guidance and reviews, obviously. But it became a hobby in itself! There are so many different topics and different minds, it can be fascinating.
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