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hungry101

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My opinion on climate change, yes it is happening, it has been happening since the beginning of time
Carbon tax.... No amount of taxes in Canada will effect what the global climate will do, no amount of fossil fuel reduction in Canada will alter what global climate will do. If Canada goes back to horse and buggy with zero fossil fuel use on a global scale it will do very little.

Can you imagine the methane gas if we all had horses? Oh the pollution!!! Why it would be 5 degrees warmer.
 

2fast2slow

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for a long time i was skeptical about climate change...but not anymore.

if we tackle climate change but it ends up being bullshit the worst that will happen is we will have cleaner air and pay a few tax dollars more. If we dont tackle climate change and it is real, the planet as we knew it may never return...I'm a practical guy, seems like a no-brainer to me
 

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Climate change is real, and it's caused by humans. That has been the scientific consensus for the past 30 years.

Right. Except of course that some scientists are skeptical about the former, and many more dispute the latter. And another indisputable scientific truth states that as soon as you repeat the word "halva" sufficiently many times, the taste in your mouth will get so much sweeter.
 
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Right. Except of course that some scientists are skeptical about the former, and many more dispute the latter.

True, but none of these so called scientists are climatologists or at least slightly associated with the field and all have a secondary gain to cause doubt. But anybody that has seen the Great Barrier Reef 30 years ago and again recently has no doubts that something very bad is happening and is happening a lot quicker than anyone has predicted.
 

Bred Sob

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none of these so called scientists are climatologists or at least slightly associated with the field

False. Some obviously are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...th_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

Not sure, however, who you refer to as "so called" scientists. Are they the ones who dare to disagree with luminaries like AOC?

all have a secondary gain to cause doubt

GMA has already made this claim, without a shred of evidence, of course. If you can back it up, please do.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Look behind you.
Climate change is real, and it's caused by humans.

Yes climate change is real, it is caused by humans is mostly false.
These cycles have been happening since the beginning of time, humans may have sped up the process a little but it is not caused by humans, embellished a lot.
 
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Yes climate change is real, it is caused by humans is mostly false.
These cycles have been happening since the beginning of time, humans may have sped up the process a little but it is not caused by humans, embellished a lot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...th_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

Went thru the first five deniers, lol pretty pitiful lot indeed. A little work and you know these people have a lot of backing by certain particular interests and a lot of them are faith interests, bizarre always thought that religious people would have their kids interests at heart, guess I’m Wrong.
 

Bred Sob

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I already answered you about this earlier in this thread.

No you did not. You never presented any specific evidence that any (let alone all, as you falsely claimed) of the skeptics are on the "payroll of special interests". Well, I guess, it does not take a lot of courage to post baseless smears on an internet forum.
 

jalimon

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"Normal people only worry about today or tomorrow's problem. They simply ignore/deny long term problem or the possibility of long term problem because fucking hell why should they worry about something that does not affect their current daily life. Daily life is already as hard as it is... And when the long term problem finally happens they blame misfortune, their physicians (even those that one told em for many years they had bad habits...) or anything they can but themselves!! This is why educating people on cancer to have good daily habits is so fucking hard."

That is exactly what a physician told me last week. The guy is a worldwide renowned in Brachytherapy. I told him ya right it remind me on how people currently react to climate changes... It's exactly like a cancer for the planet..

You got it all my friend he said ;)

Cheers,
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Look behind you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...th_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

Went thru the first five deniers, lol pretty pitiful lot indeed..

WTF does this have to do with my post that I was against the " humans caused climate change " post? Climates have been changing forever ( before industrial time ) and to say " human caused it " is just wrong, it can not be proven to be true.
Too many media sheep that can not think for themselves. Yes the climate never ever changed before industrial man.... This should win a prize.
 

Bred Sob

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WTF does this have to do with my post that I was against the " humans caused climate change " post?

He was trying to respond to my post but apparently that task proved too hard. Probably should not matter in the grand scheme of things, as our planet is being irreversibly destroyed by the traitorous climate deniers. That is in addition to the farting cows, of course. We are obviously doomed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy6X5BWX0AAYlne.jpg
 

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Any climate change denier should just book a trip to Iceland. Drive around the country side and look at things for yourself. Then ask a few people over 50-60 years old about how it was, they may even have pictures. You can see with your own eyes the changes in landscape and animal population. Not to mention a cool trip to Iceland.

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jalimon

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A climate change denier is exactly like a 2 pack a day smoker who still think anti-tobacco group are conspiracy
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Look behind you.
^^^^^^ Up 1 & 2.

What is your definition of a climate denier? Just flat out someone who says climate is not changing or someone who disagrees that Canada or any country that is not in the top 10 polluters can do something to alter the climate with taxes.
For myself I laugh at people who think a carbon tax can alter climate, the rebuttal I get is that if taxed a large amount people will use less energy and with the tax the poor get a rebate so they pay nothing..... Well, the poor do not travel much and the rich do not care about a $300 rebate.... Tax grab, nothing else.
Again, yes the climate is changing with a little more intensity as before but we can not predict what it will be like in 30 years ( remember the previous predictions from 30 years ago, all wrong ).
Many believe that humans caused climate change when all you need to do is a little research and you can see the climate has changed for millions of years.
Until we can get countries like China and India on board there is no reason to put a financial burden on Canadians as we are not even close to being the problem.
The UN, Paris Accord and Trudeaus environment minister are out to lunch. On Monday McKenna ( Canada's environment minister ) claimed a nation climate change emergence, you can bet on massive tax increases from her to fix it.
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&sour...aw3ueHP6nhxcjAcrkNmebYTt&ust=1561131415959036

Money grab by our politicians, nothing else.
 

jalimon

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^^^^^^ Up 1 & 2.

What is your definition of a climate denier? Just flat out someone who says climate is not changing or someone who disagrees that Canada or any country that is not in the top 10 polluters can do something to alter the climate with taxes.

It's both.

For me it's similar when at work you have a colleague who always has a problem for every solution you or your team try to bring to the table. They never have a solution themselves. They will never try to propose one either as well as it might fail... I call these people "Mr. Problem".

Cheers,
 

jalimon

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GMA dont you find the debate similar to anti-vaccines debate?

Some people put their kid at risk because they heard there is like a .01 % chance their kid develop schizophrenia because of vaccines... Ignoring 75 years or more of medical research and bringing up back diseases that were eradicated... Fuck when your kid is sick as hell and the doctor ask you "did he got all his vaccines as per his vaccine book?" will these people still talk about the risk of schizophrenia??

Cheers,
 

Bred Sob

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If your background is not in science, then you may not understand how science works. It's based on the scientific method. You start with an hypothesis, and design a study to prove it, perform the experiment, and evaluate the data and reach a conclusion.

Thank you for this pearl of wisdom, very educational. I am tempted to print it out and put it up above my desk.

As you are so eager to revisit our exchange earlier in this thread, let us do that. Just one time, mind you, not going to walk in circles with you.

Curiously, when quoting yourself, you omitted the key statement you had made:

I don't know who those guys are from your ten year old article.

I refer you to the NASA.gov website:
Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
This website documents scientific consensus re global warming caused by human activity, including:
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Medical Association
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
The Geological Society of America
U.S. National Academy of Sciences
U.s Global Change Research Program
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action.
http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html

GMA

Those guys who you don't know are some of the scientists you previously baselessly smeared, alleging that

Climate change is real. The only scientists who dispute it are on the payroll of the Republican Party or Big Energy.

Your admission that you don't know "those guys" was made in response to my request to back up this baseless accusation. You never did and it is abundantly clear why. You don't have anything to back it up with. In fact, you did not present a single example of a scientist who is "on the payroll of the Republican Party or Big Energy". At that point, an honest person would have admitted that his claim was false and baseless, but I am not going to hold my breath waiting for that.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Look behind you.
It's both.

For me it's similar when at work you have a colleague who always has a problem for every solution you or your team try to bring to the table. They never have a solution themselves. They will never try to propose one either as well as it might fail... I call these people "Mr. Problem".

Cheers,

Someone who admits that climate is changing but says the tax will do nothing is a " Mr. Problem " and a denier? Seems to me they would he a rational person who does some research and is not a yes person. Someone I would hire, someone to show faults in a plan and not agree just to be in the group.
 
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