Climate change
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You got it wrong 
The climate has always change. I know I watched Ice of Age
The climate will continue to change. There should not be climate change deniers... there is nothing to deny!
The problem is our imprint on this change has become far too important. And this is what we claim as "climate change"... It's all wrong.
The debate should be to understand that we are polluting like fuckers and we do not care because we are all pure egoist who want to have all the bling bling and drive big hummer like on TV...
It's a good thing the younger do not watch TV anymore. They have less and less car and the needs to want one. If there is a light of possibility it will come from the younger generation and certainly not from us old farts who destroy this planet with a big smile on our face.
Cheers,
The climate has always change. I know I watched Ice of Age The climate will continue to change. There should not be climate change deniers... there is nothing to deny!
The problem is our imprint on this change has become far too important. And this is what we claim as "climate change"... It's all wrong.
The debate should be to understand that we are polluting like fuckers and we do not care because we are all pure egoist who want to have all the bling bling and drive big hummer like on TV...
It's a good thing the younger do not watch TV anymore. They have less and less car and the needs to want one. If there is a light of possibility it will come from the younger generation and certainly not from us old farts who destroy this planet with a big smile on our face.
Cheers,
You got it wrong
Come on, be a good sport and don't destroy our fragile consensus (pardon my French)!
We could do a group snapchat, put on some of those kool dog ears and nose... Fuck yeah, I am in.
^^^^^^^^ The old farts are not the only ones ( and speak for yourself as I do more than my share to keep things environmentally friendly )
Many protest sites are left like shit holes after the protesters leave, bo cleanup at all, leave their garbage then drive away in their non battery powered cars. I camp a fair bit, many sites with kids are also left like a garbage dump when the adults sites are quite clean.
https://order-order.com/2019/04/18/environmental-protesters-leave-massive-environmental-mess/
Could not find the link to Jalimans post so......
Adding this...
https://edmontonjournal.com/busines...y-a-world-leader-in-combatting-climate-change
Many protest sites are left like shit holes after the protesters leave, bo cleanup at all, leave their garbage then drive away in their non battery powered cars. I camp a fair bit, many sites with kids are also left like a garbage dump when the adults sites are quite clean.
https://order-order.com/2019/04/18/environmental-protesters-leave-massive-environmental-mess/
Could not find the link to Jalimans post so......
Adding this...
https://edmontonjournal.com/busines...y-a-world-leader-in-combatting-climate-change
Found this article, good satire that hits the nail on the head.
Our own climate Barbie ( Envrionment Minister ) is making the call
I’d like to report an emergency.”
“Can you tell me what’s happened and where? Are there any injuries?”
“Certainly. What’s happened is that hundreds of years ago people started burning coal, which made things better, so they burned more, and then there were a lot more people, then they discovered oil, which caused a lot of development and then there were a lot more people, and now they are using so much of it that the world might warm up 2 degrees in 50 years.”
“Well…thanks for the background, I guess. I’m not sure what you’re getting at… does anyone require immediate medical attention?”
“Oh heavens, yes. Where do I start. It’s really hot in Europe because of climate change and they need…”
“Air-conditioning?”
“That’s for sure. I mean no, that’s the problem. It’s bad if they all get it…OK forget them. Forget people in fact, they’re the problem. There are lots of others that are most definitely in danger, like whales. The climate emergency is threatening a bunch of whales off the coast, well indirectly threatening them anyway, because more tanker traffic will kill the off.”
“Oh yes, I just saw that in the news! What is it, six whales dead in the Gulf of St. Lawrence struck by tankers. Yes, I’m starting to see how that could kind of fit the definition of an emergency…”
“No no, not those ones. Those are east coast whales. The problem is on the west coast and its orca whales that we’re worried about. East coast whales are, I don’t know, somehow not that big of a deal… Look, it’s complicated. Just forget the whales. Children are at risk and they need help immediately. There’s this one Swedish kid that’s really depressed and I think needs some kind of psychological attention. Even my own children are despondent because their future is so hopeless.”
“Where did they get that idea?”
“From me.”
“Why would you tell them that?”
“Their teachers said it too. We need to act and now. We need to get off fossil fuels immediately or civilization is pretty much over.”
“Oh okay, now we’re talking. Now we’re on common ground, that’s what I’m trained to do in urgent situations – act. Let’s see, I’ll walk you through a few questions and then we can get this under control. The main thing is to stay calm okay? Can you do that for me?”
“I’ll try but it’s really hard.”
“I know. Emergencies are incredibly stressful. What we have to do is break this down into smaller tasks we can focus on, are you with me so far?”
“Yes, yes.”
“All right, good good. Now, let me think…I’m thinking about fossil fuels and what you can do quickly. If you have a gas leak in your house the first thing to do is evacuate and get professionals in to shut off the gas flow. The situation you’re describing is a little different though, it sounds like you can control the flow yourself. So that’s as good a place as any to start. What you need to do is shut off the natural gas line to your house. Next you need to take your car keys and either flush them down the toilet or throw them in a river if one is handy. These are some immediate steps you can take to start slowing the bleeding. After that I can help you go through your house and we’ll immediately put a halt to anything that is exacerbating this problem and prolonging the emergency.”
“Whoa whoa whoa. This is a global emergency. Those things won’t make any difference. We need to think bigger, like stopping the*world*from using fossil fuels immediately. I’m not talking about me.”
“Well you said it was an emergency! Is this a real emergency? Because an emergency requires immediate action to deal with the problem at hand. That’s kind of what ‘emergency’ means, if I remember correctly from training.”
“Yes, but it is a real emergency, the federal government said so. And the news says the same thing all over the place.”
“Well, I’m searching through my old 9-1-1 training manual and it says pretty clearly that an emergency is ‘a sudden, urgent, usually unexpected occurrence or occasion requiring immediate action’.”
“Yes exactly! That’s what I’m talking about. The feds say it requires immediate action.”
“So, you’re proposing getting off fossil fuels on a global basis as a way to deal with this emergency?”
“Yes! You got it.”
“How long do you think that will take?”
“Thirty years.”
“What??”
“Some people say 12 years but I don’t think so. That sounds crazy. I mean, my car’s finance period alone is 84 months and I’m keeping that sucker for a good while. It’s one sweet ride.”
“Umm, I’m trying to find the chapter that deals with sort of, you know, multi-decade emergencies. As emergency responders, we only deal with things that require immediate and urgent action.”
“Exactly. That’s what we need to do.”
“So go shut off your natural gas line.”
“No.”
“What? Why not?”
“I don’t want to. It’s barbecue season. And I think there’s stuff in the dryer.”
“Well this is totally weird because I’m trained to tell you what to do but you won’t do it. OK, I guess you’re going to have to give me a tour of your house to tell me what’s happening and we can find some things to deal with immediately, which makes me feel like I’m doing my job at least. So, what can you see that we could change that will stop the bleeding?”
“Hmm…just scanning the room here and I don’t see much I would want to live without…I’ll check the fridge…”
“Listen, I don’t care if you’re hungry. This is getting silly. You do know you’re tying up a 9-1-1 line, right? And that it’s a criminal offence to do that if it’s not a real emergency?”
“Haha. Who would charge me? It was the government that said it’s an emergency. Are they going to charge me for taking them seriously?”
“Bazinga! You got me there! OK can you hold for one second please?”
[Operator switches to another line: “I’m sorry, we’re having an overload of calls this morning…yes just apply pressure and the bleeding should stop soon… Oh wow, I bet that is pretty gross, yeah…Maybe Uber to a hospital? Good luck!”]
“OK I’m back, apologies for the delay.”
“That’s ok it gave me time to go through some stuff and I found something exciting I might do to help with the emergency.”
“Oh, good, what’s that?”
“I’m going to join an environmental protest group and start blocking highways until we get attention. They’re doing it in London and it’s getting mega attention.”
“Those actions are dangerous, they can seriously impede first responders trying to get to real emergencies.”
“I’m getting a headache.”
“Me too. How about I erase this call and it never happened?”
“Yes please.”
“Have a great day.”
Our own climate Barbie ( Envrionment Minister ) is making the call
I’d like to report an emergency.”
“Can you tell me what’s happened and where? Are there any injuries?”
“Certainly. What’s happened is that hundreds of years ago people started burning coal, which made things better, so they burned more, and then there were a lot more people, then they discovered oil, which caused a lot of development and then there were a lot more people, and now they are using so much of it that the world might warm up 2 degrees in 50 years.”
“Well…thanks for the background, I guess. I’m not sure what you’re getting at… does anyone require immediate medical attention?”
“Oh heavens, yes. Where do I start. It’s really hot in Europe because of climate change and they need…”
“Air-conditioning?”
“That’s for sure. I mean no, that’s the problem. It’s bad if they all get it…OK forget them. Forget people in fact, they’re the problem. There are lots of others that are most definitely in danger, like whales. The climate emergency is threatening a bunch of whales off the coast, well indirectly threatening them anyway, because more tanker traffic will kill the off.”
“Oh yes, I just saw that in the news! What is it, six whales dead in the Gulf of St. Lawrence struck by tankers. Yes, I’m starting to see how that could kind of fit the definition of an emergency…”
“No no, not those ones. Those are east coast whales. The problem is on the west coast and its orca whales that we’re worried about. East coast whales are, I don’t know, somehow not that big of a deal… Look, it’s complicated. Just forget the whales. Children are at risk and they need help immediately. There’s this one Swedish kid that’s really depressed and I think needs some kind of psychological attention. Even my own children are despondent because their future is so hopeless.”
“Where did they get that idea?”
“From me.”
“Why would you tell them that?”
“Their teachers said it too. We need to act and now. We need to get off fossil fuels immediately or civilization is pretty much over.”
“Oh okay, now we’re talking. Now we’re on common ground, that’s what I’m trained to do in urgent situations – act. Let’s see, I’ll walk you through a few questions and then we can get this under control. The main thing is to stay calm okay? Can you do that for me?”
“I’ll try but it’s really hard.”
“I know. Emergencies are incredibly stressful. What we have to do is break this down into smaller tasks we can focus on, are you with me so far?”
“Yes, yes.”
“All right, good good. Now, let me think…I’m thinking about fossil fuels and what you can do quickly. If you have a gas leak in your house the first thing to do is evacuate and get professionals in to shut off the gas flow. The situation you’re describing is a little different though, it sounds like you can control the flow yourself. So that’s as good a place as any to start. What you need to do is shut off the natural gas line to your house. Next you need to take your car keys and either flush them down the toilet or throw them in a river if one is handy. These are some immediate steps you can take to start slowing the bleeding. After that I can help you go through your house and we’ll immediately put a halt to anything that is exacerbating this problem and prolonging the emergency.”
“Whoa whoa whoa. This is a global emergency. Those things won’t make any difference. We need to think bigger, like stopping the*world*from using fossil fuels immediately. I’m not talking about me.”
“Well you said it was an emergency! Is this a real emergency? Because an emergency requires immediate action to deal with the problem at hand. That’s kind of what ‘emergency’ means, if I remember correctly from training.”
“Yes, but it is a real emergency, the federal government said so. And the news says the same thing all over the place.”
“Well, I’m searching through my old 9-1-1 training manual and it says pretty clearly that an emergency is ‘a sudden, urgent, usually unexpected occurrence or occasion requiring immediate action’.”
“Yes exactly! That’s what I’m talking about. The feds say it requires immediate action.”
“So, you’re proposing getting off fossil fuels on a global basis as a way to deal with this emergency?”
“Yes! You got it.”
“How long do you think that will take?”
“Thirty years.”
“What??”
“Some people say 12 years but I don’t think so. That sounds crazy. I mean, my car’s finance period alone is 84 months and I’m keeping that sucker for a good while. It’s one sweet ride.”
“Umm, I’m trying to find the chapter that deals with sort of, you know, multi-decade emergencies. As emergency responders, we only deal with things that require immediate and urgent action.”
“Exactly. That’s what we need to do.”
“So go shut off your natural gas line.”
“No.”
“What? Why not?”
“I don’t want to. It’s barbecue season. And I think there’s stuff in the dryer.”
“Well this is totally weird because I’m trained to tell you what to do but you won’t do it. OK, I guess you’re going to have to give me a tour of your house to tell me what’s happening and we can find some things to deal with immediately, which makes me feel like I’m doing my job at least. So, what can you see that we could change that will stop the bleeding?”
“Hmm…just scanning the room here and I don’t see much I would want to live without…I’ll check the fridge…”
“Listen, I don’t care if you’re hungry. This is getting silly. You do know you’re tying up a 9-1-1 line, right? And that it’s a criminal offence to do that if it’s not a real emergency?”
“Haha. Who would charge me? It was the government that said it’s an emergency. Are they going to charge me for taking them seriously?”
“Bazinga! You got me there! OK can you hold for one second please?”
[Operator switches to another line: “I’m sorry, we’re having an overload of calls this morning…yes just apply pressure and the bleeding should stop soon… Oh wow, I bet that is pretty gross, yeah…Maybe Uber to a hospital? Good luck!”]
“OK I’m back, apologies for the delay.”
“That’s ok it gave me time to go through some stuff and I found something exciting I might do to help with the emergency.”
“Oh, good, what’s that?”
“I’m going to join an environmental protest group and start blocking highways until we get attention. They’re doing it in London and it’s getting mega attention.”
“Those actions are dangerous, they can seriously impede first responders trying to get to real emergencies.”
“I’m getting a headache.”
“Me too. How about I erase this call and it never happened?”
“Yes please.”
“Have a great day.”
These climate projections rely on climate models whose resolution is too coarse to resolve the cloud-aerosol-radiation interaction - the big unknown in climate processes. Most of them cannot even get the present climate features right without resorting to trickery such as the Intertropical Convergence Zone, teleconnection patterns such as El Nino/La Nina, Madden-Julian Oscillation (all in the tropics). These teleconnections excite waves that propagate into the extratropics.
Reproducing tropical climate in these models is a real mother because convective clouds are ubiquitous in the tropics and up-scale into tropical cloud clusters and tropical storms. These motherf*cking models have a hard time reproducing these features because clouds are not explicitly resolved.
Furthermore, the solar cycle as well as well solar wind's impact on cloud condensation nuclei are not well accounted for or maybe not accounted at all. On a local scale, urban heat island phenomenon is well known. However, global climate models are yet too coarse to resolve the urban heat island effect. The urban heat island effect is quite local. How that affects the climate on the planetary is a good question. The signal might be small.
On a planetary scale, it is hard to quantify the anthropogenic impact to climate perturbations. The sign and magnitude of the perturbations depend on the assumptions of the model physics and the numerical discretization of the dynamic core (i.e., spectral method, finite volume) of the model and resolution.
Nonetheless, we should not pollute the planet. The carbon tax would allow countries to pollute so long as they can pay those who don't. So the end result is still more pollution.
Everyone wants a first-world lifestyle. The world has too many people. My suggestion is to stop feeding the "pigeons" on a national as well as an international scale. Some nations would simply starve without foreign aid. Stop feeding the "pigeons" would solve the problem. Parks have signs telling you not to feed the pigeons. There is a reason for that. It is cruel but look at where the population explosion occurs. The excess population is heading to First World countries and they get bennies as soon as they set foot in those countries. I think my suggestion would solve much of the environmental and social problems but it is not politically correct.
Reproducing tropical climate in these models is a real mother because convective clouds are ubiquitous in the tropics and up-scale into tropical cloud clusters and tropical storms. These motherf*cking models have a hard time reproducing these features because clouds are not explicitly resolved.
Furthermore, the solar cycle as well as well solar wind's impact on cloud condensation nuclei are not well accounted for or maybe not accounted at all. On a local scale, urban heat island phenomenon is well known. However, global climate models are yet too coarse to resolve the urban heat island effect. The urban heat island effect is quite local. How that affects the climate on the planetary is a good question. The signal might be small.
On a planetary scale, it is hard to quantify the anthropogenic impact to climate perturbations. The sign and magnitude of the perturbations depend on the assumptions of the model physics and the numerical discretization of the dynamic core (i.e., spectral method, finite volume) of the model and resolution.
Nonetheless, we should not pollute the planet. The carbon tax would allow countries to pollute so long as they can pay those who don't. So the end result is still more pollution.
Everyone wants a first-world lifestyle. The world has too many people. My suggestion is to stop feeding the "pigeons" on a national as well as an international scale. Some nations would simply starve without foreign aid. Stop feeding the "pigeons" would solve the problem. Parks have signs telling you not to feed the pigeons. There is a reason for that. It is cruel but look at where the population explosion occurs. The excess population is heading to First World countries and they get bennies as soon as they set foot in those countries. I think my suggestion would solve much of the environmental and social problems but it is not politically correct.
We had the hottest June on record for the globe by 1.71 degrees Fahrenheit over the 20th Century average. That seems like a huge increase:
https://www.noaa.gov/news/june-2019-was-hottest-on-record-for-globe
However for the US and southern Canada it was cooler than average, for some reason, according to this analysis.
https://www.noaa.gov/news/june-2019-was-hottest-on-record-for-globe
However for the US and southern Canada it was cooler than average, for some reason, according to this analysis.
The temperature field is like a wave. Extreme heat upstream corresponds to extreme cold downstream.
Getting away from the abused child and on to climate change.
Past doomsday predictions that have failed.
They " alarmists " now call it Climate Emergency.
LIST OF DOOMSDAY PREDICTIONS THE CLIMATE ALARMIST GOT WRONG 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969) 1970: Ice Age By 2000 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030 1972: New Ice Age By 2070 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast 1974: Another Ice Age? 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not) 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not) 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet F
I know some here are scared of the doomsday but still drive a car, use airplanes, heat their houses, use plastics. Guess you are not really that scared.
We are getting a grip on it in certain countries, the Alberta Oilsands has done outstanding work in reducing emissions, have the most environmentally extracted oil but Greenpeace still has their sights set on Canada, the country that makes no difference to climate change. They do not have the balls ( funding ) to go after India, China or other extreme polluters, probably since its backers just want Canadian oil off the world market.
Past doomsday predictions that have failed.
They " alarmists " now call it Climate Emergency.
LIST OF DOOMSDAY PREDICTIONS THE CLIMATE ALARMIST GOT WRONG 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969) 1970: Ice Age By 2000 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030 1972: New Ice Age By 2070 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast 1974: Another Ice Age? 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not) 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not) 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet F
I know some here are scared of the doomsday but still drive a car, use airplanes, heat their houses, use plastics. Guess you are not really that scared.
We are getting a grip on it in certain countries, the Alberta Oilsands has done outstanding work in reducing emissions, have the most environmentally extracted oil but Greenpeace still has their sights set on Canada, the country that makes no difference to climate change. They do not have the balls ( funding ) to go after India, China or other extreme polluters, probably since its backers just want Canadian oil off the world market.
But we have heard this all before, nothing new really. Do you think this doomsday is finally the correct one or another Oooops in 7 years.
Those all show steps they are taking to be less dirty. Excellent. None of those support your claim it is the most environmentally good way to extract oil.
I saw your weirdly formatted random list with no link earlier. Can you give a better link to this "list of doomsdays" you think is so damning?
Are you by any chance familiar with search engines, like google? They can prove very helpful and in fact it takes a few seconds to find the quoted document.
That must be another one of those indisputable scientific facts. Amazingly, some reactionary Republicans (all of them are no doubt on the payroll of Big Oil) have the chutzpah to disagree.
https://lowendmac.com/2014/personal-computer-history-the-first-25-years/
No kidding.
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