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CLOUD 500

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I always said the key to combat climate change is with technology, not in the way the far-left is doing with carbon taxes, forcing electric, and doing everything they can to increase the population. The US has achieved nuclear fusion and were able to generate more energy then was used to initiate fusion. For those who do not understand, it takes a lot of heat and pressure to fuse two atoms (fusion, usually two hydrogen atoms to a helium atom E=mc^2). These are reactions that power stars and powers everything on this planet, naturally due to excessive mass lots of heat and pressure is created starting fusion. Why is this so important? It leads the path to lots of low cost carbon free energy that does not create any nuclear waste. Low cost abundant energy has lifted nations out of poverty. However the far-left will never allow that. They loose control and will not make money. Either way, to have fully functional fusion reactors is still decades away.

 

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California's water problems have nothing to do with "climate change" and everything to do with mismanagement of scarce water supplies. Most of California's population lives in desert areas that have been prone to drought for Millennia. Fortunately, parts of California also often receives large amounts of rain in the winter. The challenge is to manage the flow of the rainwater and capture as much of it as possible to store in reservoirs. It sounds easy, but it is not, especially in a state with lots of powerful, leftist environmentalists.


California hasn’t built a new dam in four decades. An estimated more than 80 percent of the state’s winter rainwater is annually wasted. Most of this week’s precipitation is finding its way back to the Pacific, where environmentalists have blocked efforts to desalinate.

In August, Democrat Gov. Gavin Newsom feigned outrage over the state’s slow progress on water storage.

“The time to get these dam projects (like Sites Reservoir) is ridiculous, absurd and somewhat comedic,” Newsom said in Sacramento.

If the Sites Reservoir, which is located west of the Sacramento Valley and has been in the planning process for more than 60 years, had been finished, the location would store excess flow from the Sacramento River.

Michael Shellenberger, who mounted an independent challenge for governor last year and is the founder of Public, a Substack publication, faulted Newsom for slow progress on state water storage. Newsom, Shellenberger said, remains captive to radical environmental activists who protest any and all development, and has only jumped on the issue recently over pressure from the drought.

“Gavin has been in the grip of pro-scarcity Malthusian environmentalists his entire career,” Shellenberger explained. “He hasn’t done what he’s needed to do to raise the heights of the reservoirs we have or build the new reservoirs we need.”

Prolonged drought periods that sometimes last up to 200 years are common in the American West, which, according to 2020 Census figures, is now home to nearly 79 million people.

“Water, it’s the dumbest thing in the world,” Shellenberger said. “It’s easy to store water, just dig a bigger hole, build higher walls.”

California’s slow reactive measures to manage the state’s water crisis, however, gave way to a missed opportunity. State leaders could have used the natural disaster to acquire a desperately needed natural resource, but instead, with the storm knocking out power for hundreds of thousands of residents and reportedly leading to at least 17 deaths, their failures ensured the weather event would be a net loss.


As Californians struggled to deal with a grueling drought that has led to water rationing and other extreme water-conservation measures, Mother Nature has this week intervened with an atmospheric river that has led to massive rainfalls and flooding — especially up in our end of the state.

This cycle of drought and flooding is nothing new.

“California summers were characterized by the coughing in the pipes that meant the well was dry, and California winters by all-night watches on rivers about to crest,” wrote Joan Didion in her 1977 essay, “Holy Water.”

Unfortunately, California has left itself dependent on the weather (or climate, if you prefer) because it hasn’t built significant water infrastructure since the time that essay was published — when the state had roughly 18 million fewer residents.

Some environmentalists argue against building water storage when there’s little rain, but they only are correct if it doesn’t rain again.

History suggests the rains will always come — at least eventually, and this week’s ongoing series of storms is a whopper of an example. It’s another reminder that if California expands its storage capacity with reservoirs, off-stream storage and groundwater banking, it will have enough water to get us through the dry spells.

The official government drought maps show that almost the entire state is facing some form of drought, but that the latest storm system has helped bolster reservoir levels. Most of our reservoirs were perilously close to empty, but after the latest storm Lake Oroville rose more than 35 feet in a week and is more than 70 % of normal. Folsom is now at 74% of normal and Castaic is at 53% of normal. Those levels should only rise after the current wave of storms.

Building infrastructure takes time. Instead of being content that we’ve dodged another water-shortage bullet, the state’s leaders need to follow through with Gov. Gavin Newsom’s water plan.

That means jump-starting water projects (like Sites Reservoir, which would increase California’s water supply by providing 1.5 million acre-feet of additional storage capacity) that have been on the drawing board for decades.

Sites got another boost last week when the project was awarded $80 million in federal funding from the Bureau of Reclamation via the Water Infrastructure Improvements for the Nation Act (WIIN Act), which provides grants for water supply infrastructure that promotes drought resilience for rural communities and agriculture, urban areas, public health and the environment.

“It’s time we manage water differently in California. More of the same will not provide relief from severe drought— but Sites Reservoir is a new source of drought year water that will provide tangible benefits to California’s environment, people and farms,” said Fritz Durst, chairman of the Sites Project Authority.

Assemblyman James Gallagher (R-Yuba City) has consistently called for quicker action for the Sites project, and in a tweet Thursday morning, he said “Republican lawmakers have been calling for action on water storage for years. It’s time to get the job done, remove the red tape and build new water storage that could capture these flows.”

The need for additional water storage in California isn’t the only issue our state needs to address. It also needs quicker approval of desalination facilities (such as the proposal in Huntington Beach that the California Coastal Commission rejected) and water-recycling strategies. The state also needs to invest more heavily in rebuilding its aging levees to help protect communities threatened by floods — just look at what happened in the Elk Grove area earlier this week.

The state needs to get serious about these strategies now. In the meantime, more and more of the water we so desperately need is doing nothing other than swelling river banks and rushing out to sea.
 

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California's water problems have nothing to do with "climate change" and everything to do with mismanagement of scarce water supplies. Most of California's population lives in desert areas that have been prone to drought for Millennia. Fortunately, parts of California also often receives large amounts of rain in the winter. The challenge is to manage the flow of the rainwater and capture as much of it as possible to store in reservoirs. It sounds easy, but it is not, especially in a state with lots of powerful, leftist environmentalists.





Your post explain causes of drought in California but doesn't concern much climate changes.
 

CLOUD 500

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Your post explain causes of drought in California but doesn't concern much climate changes.
The post explains facts vs fiction instead of the far-left's need to create climate alarmism to push their twisted agenda like a carbon tax.


^^^^^ Great article on this subject.
 
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Womaniser

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The post explains facts vs fiction instead of the far-left's need to create climate alarmism to push their twisted agenda like a carbon tax.


^^^^^ Great article on this subject.

Your reference is from 2019.
Since then, much water as passed under bridges and often over them !
 

CaptRenault

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This Wall Street Journal editorial does a good job of explaining how environmentalists (the same people who are pushing climate change alarmism) have prevented California from dealing properly with its water problems.

As usual, government causes a huge problem (in this case, neglecting to build the infrastructure to deal with droughts and winter rains) and then blames some other reason for the problem and imposes an expensive solution that does nothing to solve the problem (everybody must drive electric cars!!).


California’s political leaders are obsessed with climate, so why don’t they prepare for droughts or deluges? The atmospheric rivers that are sweeping the parched Golden State should be a cause for relief, but they’ve instead given way to catastrophic floods and enormous water waste.

Scientists last fall forecast another warm and dry winter following three of California’s driest years on record. Yet storms this winter have already dropped tens of trillions of gallons of water across the state and more than a dozen feet of snow in the Sierra Nevada mountains. Alas, little of the storm runoff is getting captured.

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One problem is the state’s lack of investment in public works, especially storage and flood control. Drought has recurred throughout California history, punctuated by wet winters like this one. Two seven-year droughts that started in the late 1920s and 1940s spurred the construction of a massive system of canals, dams and reservoirs.

But few large water projects have been built since the birth of the modern environmental movement in the 1970s. Species protections for salmon and the three-inch smelt limit how much water can be pumped south through the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta, which receives runoff from rivers in the North and the Sierra mountains.


The amount of water surging into the Delta on Friday could have filled a reservoir the size of Yosemite’s Hetch Hetchy almost every 24 hours. Instead, nearly 95% of the Delta’s storm water this year has flushed into the Pacific Ocean. Such waste occurs whenever there’s a deluge and is why some reservoirs south of the Delta remain low despite the storms.

Former Gov. Jerry Brown wanted to build massive tunnels under the Delta that can export more water to farmers in the fertile Central Valley and cities in Southern California. But environmentalists oppose this idea as they do expanding water storage.

More reservoirs are desperately needed in the North to capture melting snowpack that would otherwise drain into the Pacific or overflow river banks. Reservoirs store runoff and help prevent flooding. Most reservoirs in the North are now above historical average levels so they may have to release water this spring to avoid overflowing.

State voters have approved eight water bonds since 2000 that authorize some $27 billion in funding for various water projects, but little of the money has gone to storage or flood control. That’s because politicians buy off green support for water bonds by promising to spend a large share of their proceeds on ecosystem restoration.

Only $2.7 billion of a $7.5 billion water bond that voters approved in 2014 was allocated for storage. None of the seven storage projects selected by the state for funding has begun construction. Blame in part a government permitting morass. Most aren’t expected to be completed until the end of this decade, assuming they aren’t marooned by lawsuits.

Voters support water bond measures because they think the money will be spent on drought preparation. But it never is. Liberals use droughts and floods to campaign for water bonds that end up funding pet environmental causes. Rinse and repeat. Mr. Newsom last week floated another bond measure for water projects and wildfire mitigation.

If water projects are a political priority, why not finance them with general tax revenue as the state does climate programs like electric-vehicle subsidies? Perhaps because borrowing for water projects allows the government to spend more on other things. As a result, taxpayers wind up paying more for debt service.

Californians are also having to pay much more for water owing to restricted supply. Central Valley farmers and Southern Californians have been slammed by rising water rates. The Nasdaq Veles California Water Index, which tracks the spot price for water in the state, has more than quadrupled over the past three years.

Some local water districts have invested in desalination and wastewater reclamation, but these are expensive. The state is also paying farmers up to $2.5 million to leave fields fallow. About 531,000 acres were left unplanted last year. That’s one reason California’s Central Valley boasts five of the 10 metro areas with the highest unemployment rates in the country.

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California’s problems never stay in California. Its profligate water policies are straining the overburdened Colorado River, which supplies six other states and California. Recent storms aren’t expected to bolster the Colorado, and federal officials are threatening to restrict supply for all seven states if they don’t reach an agreement to curb usage by the end of this month.

California has a dry climate long marked by drought. But its failure to plan for water storage and delivery during the wet periods is one more failure of the state’s government and its misguided political priorities.
 

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In the words of failed presidential candidate John Kerry, "a select group of human beings" :rolleyes: has gathered in Switzerland at the World Economic Forum to save the planet...or something. Among this group of select humans was another failed presidential candidate, Al Gore (AKA Fat Albert :D). Gore lost his cool and went on an embarrassing rant about "climate change"...or something.

 

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In the words of failed presidential candidate John Kerry, "a select group of human beings" :rolleyes: has gathered in Switzerland at the World Economic Forum to save the planet...or something. Among this group of select humans was another failed presidential candidate, Al Gore (AKA Fat Albert :D). Gore lost his cool and went on an embarrassing rant about "climate change"...or something.

Deny the science and mock the climate activists all you want, but your opinions are in the minority. Nearly all climate scientists agree that the planet is dangerously warming due to man-made activities, and 3 out of 4 adults worldwide are worried about climate change.
 

CaptRenault

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...your opinions are in the minority. Nearly all climate scientists agree that the planet is dangerously warming due to man-made activities, and 3 out of 4 adults worldwide are worried about climate change.

All of my opinions about everything are in the minority. That is a posture that has served me well on many occasions. :D

 

CaptRenault

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Even the LA Times admits, as in this article, that environmentalists are largely to blame for California's water problems.

In order to protect obscure, tiny fish ("delta smelt") environmentalists have prevented the state from building the infrastructure of dams and reservoirs that is necessary to supply water in an environment whose climate has alternated between drought and floods for thousands of years.

Even ultra liberal, pretty boy Governor Gavin Newsom has realized that switching to electric cars, windmills and solar panels will not solve California's water problems which have existed long before anyone ever uttered the phrase "climate change."


Environmental rules designed to protect imperiled fish in the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta have ignited anger among a group of bipartisan lawmakers, who say too much of California’s stormwater is being washed out to sea instead of being pumped to reservoirs and aqueducts.

In a series of strongly worded letters, nearly a dozen legislators — many from drought-starved agriculture regions of the Central Valley —have implored state and federal officials to relax environmental pumping restrictions that are limiting the amount of water captured from the delta.

“When Mother Nature blesses us with rain, we need to save the water, instead of dumping it into the ocean,” Assemblymember Vince Fong (R-Bakersfield) wrote in a letter to Gov. Gavin Newsom.

Since the beginning of January, a series of atmospheric rivers has disgorged trillions of gallons of much-needed moisture across drought-stricken California, but only a small fraction of that water has so far made it into storage. In the delta — the heart of the state’s vast water system — nearly 95% of incoming water has flowed into the Pacific Ocean, according to data from the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation.

The calls by lawmakers have reignited a long-simmering debate over where — and to whom — the state’s precious water supplies should go...
 

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Even the LA Times admits, as in this article, that environmentalists are largely to blame for California's water problems.

In order to protect obscure, tiny fish ("delta smelt") environmentalists have prevented the state from building the infrastructure of dams and reservoirs that is necessary to supply water in an environment whose climate has alternated between drought and floods for thousands of years.

Even ultra liberal, pretty boy Governor Gavin Newsom has realized that switching to electric cars, windmills and solar panels will not solve California's water problems which have existed long before anyone ever uttered the phrase "climate change."


Did you read the latimes article ? It shows differents opinions between politicians and scientists.
If you need a heart surgery, would you trust a politician or a heart surgeon to make it ?
 

CLOUD 500

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Did you read the latimes article ? It shows differents opinions between politicians and scientists.
If you need a heart surgery, would you trust a politician or a heart surgeon to make it ?
The thing is the scientist can be bought (usually by the government to push their political agenda). So the right question is do you follow the scientist or the science? Two very different things.

Doctors also are trained to push pills instead of treatments that can be solved without the use of pills. Pharma industry want to make money. Issue is the government has too much power and are too involved in everything.
 

CaptRenault

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Her's another good article, this one from Reason.com, that explains how climate change fanatics use weather phenomena (such as the recent rain storms in CA) to back up their claims that Americans must abandon their way of life and surrender power and control to them.

California has always had problems managing water. Virtually the whole populated part of the state is a desert that only receives significant rain in huge amounts from unpredictable, unreliable storms.

The challenge is to manage the floods that inevitably result and to store the excess water for future use during dry periods. These problems are not caused by humans driving ICE-powered cars and using gas burning stoves and they will not be solved by humans completely changing their lifestyles to agree with the diktats of Al Gore, Greta Thunberg and John Kerry and the rest of the climate change despots.


The latest environmentalist fad is to ban gas stoves, with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission now doing a study on their ill effects (and a commissioner saying a ban on their import and manufacture is on the table). The agency's rationale is that such stoves degrade indoor air quality. The pushback has been severe given that any self-respecting cook would rather heat up a frozen dinner in the microwave than pan-fry dinner on an electric burner.

Gas banners have touted studies showing that gas cooking exacerbates asthma—although a properly vented stove hood minimizes the risk. The main push behind this moral panic comes from climate-change worriers, who are intent on reducing the nation's carbon footprint. Some cities already are imposing moratoriums on natural gas.

What does this have to do with today's topic of water policy? One gets a sneaking suspicion that with any resource issue the environmental up-lifters are more interested in disrupting our lifestyles than solving actual environmental issues. The real climate threat comes from developing nations—not high-end gas stoves in suburban American households.

Likewise, some targeted investments could solve the state's water issues—by bolstering our water-storage capabilities, building desalination facilities, recycling water, improving groundwater recharge basins, and promoting water trading. California now faces a budget deficit, but last year we had a $97.5-billion surplus. A small portion could have fixed the problem for decades.

Instead, many California environmentalists prefer water rationing—with the goal of forcing us to use much less water even though we've vastly reduced our per-capita water usage. Conservation is good, but the end goal should be assuring plenty of water for our homes and businesses rather than forcing the public to do penance. Am I the only one who thinks our policymakers want us to suffer?

California has endured weeks of pounding rain, with 90 percent of the population facing a flood watch. Here in the low-lying Sacramento area, rising waters and bursting levees have washed out roads, destroyed homes, and taken lives. My community has at times become an island, with flooded roadways cutting access to town. We've lost electricity and were required to evacuate.

Many pundits blame climate change. Yet flooding is nothing new in the Golden State. During the great flood of 1862, historical reports say that a lake 300 miles long and 20 miles wide formed in the Central Valley. Gov. Leland Stanford rowed his own boat to his inauguration. Environmentalists love catastrophe—and they predict that the state is at risk of another similar flood.

Just months ago, as we suffered through another grueling drought, some environmentalists claimed we were entering a mega-drought that could last a century and turn the entire West into a dust bowl. They should make up their mind.

Drought or floods, excessive heat or cold—it's all climate change to them, even though Mother Nature has brought varying weather patterns since, well, forever. I'm not denying that we're facing a changing climate, but the doomsayers seem a bit too eager to use the latest weather event to justify their goals of changing the way we live.

The key reason California has yet to experience another 1862-style flood is obvious: In the 20th century, California dammed its major rivers, built giant dams, reservoirs, and a system of canals. They turned the state into a giant plumbing project. The State Water Project and Central Valley Project didn't only provide water for a then-growing population, but served as massive flood-control projects.

That's resulted in some environmental problems, but it's allowed nearly 40 million people to live here. Our water systems are engineering marvels, even if the state hasn't maintained them or expanded them to accommodate a doubled population. The obvious answer is to build upon a previous generation's legacy rather than hector us into using less water (when it's dry) or accepting floods (when it's wet).

Despite the recent atmospheric river, most of California still is officially experiencing drought conditions. The reservoirs are filling up, yet they remain below historical averages. It takes a long time to plan water infrastructure, navigate the environmental-impact hurdles, and build it. Unfortunately, if the recent past is a guide our state's leaders will breathe a sigh of relief at the rains, do little or nothing, and then bloviate about climate change after the next drought takes hold.

Meanwhile, environmentalists will do what they always do: warn us about catastrophe and prepare us to endure years of unpleasantness. CNN quoted climate scientist Peter Gleick: "We have to let our rivers flow differently, and let the rivers flood a little more and recharge our groundwater in wet seasons. Instead of thinking we can control all floods, we have to learn to live with them."

So just get used to the evacuations. Or get used to rationing water. And you better give up those gas stoves and gas-powered lawn equipment or whatever. To some of us, these are solvable problems, but to others they're the latest excuse to make us miserable.
 

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Her's another good article, this one from Reason.com, that explains how climate change fanatics use weather phenomena (such as the recent rain storms in CA) to back up their claims that Americans must abandon their way of life and surrender power and control to them.

California has always had problems managing water. Virtually the whole populated part of the state is a desert that only receives significant rain in huge amounts from unpredictable, unreliable storms.

The challenge is to manage the floods that inevitably result and to store the excess water for future use during dry periods. These problems are not caused by humans driving ICE-powered cars and using gas burning stoves and they will not be solved by humans completely changing their lifestyles to agree with the diktats of Al Gore, Greta Thunberg and John Kerry and the rest of the climate change despots.

This is an opinion piece written by Steven Greenhut who is a well-known, right-wing political activist. He is welcome to his opinions, but he appears to have an anti-climate change and anti-government agenda.
 

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When I fuck up at work these days, I just blame it on climate change. My woke boss automatically accepts that excuse. :D

Blame climate change.jpeg
 

CLOUD 500

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More madness from the far-left. Totally misguided people. The Biden administration plans to take drastic steps and will cut drastically the amount of pollution a car produced by 2032. In layman terms that means it will force car manufacturers to produce way more EV cars then gas powered ones even if they are less profitable and not the ideal choice for most customers. The reality is an electric car only is effective to reduce emissions if the electric grid it recharges from is produced from renewable resources. It also takes much longer to charge a EV car then to refill a gas one. There just is not enough network to support recharging all these cars. What the effect will be, the amount of gas powered cars available will be greatly reduced driving up the costs big time for both gas powered and EV cars (since the mineral required for the batteries are metals not widely available and will probably create a shortage of EV cars). For most people, EV cars cannot work. Unless you live in a big house (something the far-left is trying to wipe out with their population increasing policy, they want people to live in little condos) and you drive a short distance, an EV will not serve you well. These policies will make affording a car out of reach for the average joe. Lets face it, using public transit it not always ideal especially when you have a family of kids.

 
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