Climate change

[jalimon]

Why do climate change deniers always believe the tiny tiny minority on only this scientific topic? Almost every field of science has some amount of controversy, yet we follow the consensus of the vast majority. Funny how it's different with climate.

Very very interesting comment

I would answer by a simple sentence. Because climate has nothing to sale. The consensus is followed in all other scientific field because big buck can be made for pharmaceuticals, bio company or energy related company. But when it's time to put effort to fight something that will unfortunately change our the way we live, make us a bit poorer and that not much buck can be made we act like fucking ass hole, only think about our own self. What a pity we are.

Cheers,

 

[jalimon]

Honestly, it does little good to shutdown industry in North America so they can pollute all they want in China and India. Pollution does not recognize political boundaries. This is asinine and as a result, we will all be poorer.

Who ever said we will need to shut down all North American's industry? Who said China and india can pollute all they want? Correct that pollution does not recognize boundaries but currently china and india are doing more then america because they suffer most from pollution. Instead of being pro-active they are unfortunately just reactive. But it's still better then american which is non active.

Cheers,

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

^^^^^ Up one, Hungry never said "all" industry, he only said industry and he is correct. His statement about China and India can do what they want is also true as they do, no protests there, Greenpeace will not do there, some students would never even think of going there.
Comprehension is not your strong suit.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Very very interesting comment

I would answer by a simple sentence. Because climate has nothing to sale. ,

Really, you going to stick to that answer? Climate has made many billionaires, and not for the as you put it " deniers " side.

 

[hungry101]

Missed you at the demonstration in MTL on Friday; but I think I may have spotted a dope-smoking GMA marching down Du Parc with a couple of familiar-looking and entirely gorgeous SPs on either arm!

Ha ha! Now you're talking. You bring the weed and I'll get the beer and E!

 

[No_Church_InThe_Wild]

^^^^^ You do not get it and never will, scientists are changing their minds. Before not one dared to go against it and now they are coming out and saying yes climate is changing but it always has and will. No scientist in favor of man made climate change can say what percentage is caused by humans, when asked there is no answer because they do not know. Who much will be changed by stopping all fossil fuel vehicles, how much will change by stopping all coal power stations, you will never get an answer because they do not know. It could be so minute that itbwould have zero impact on a global scale.
In my opinion there is no in the near future ( and I mean century ) doomsday due to climate change.

This is pretty much my take on what’s been going on in the scientific community.

 

[No_Church_InThe_Wild]

Yes science can be uncertain and even sometimes wrong.

I agree ... words to live by Jalimon

 

[gll]

^^^^^ You do not get it and never will, scientists are changing their minds. Before not one dared to go against it and now they are coming out and saying yes climate is changing but it always has and will. No scientist in favor of man made climate change can say what percentage is caused by humans, when asked there is no answer because they do not know. Who much will be changed by stopping all fossil fuel vehicles, how much will change by stopping all coal power stations, you will never get an answer because they do not know. It could be so minute that itbwould have zero impact on a global scale. I have been around for a long time hand have traveled a lot, I see no air quality of life that has changed. Yes the weather ( climate ) has changed but it has always done that, if you did a little research you would also find that out.
In my opinion there is no in the near future ( and I mean century ) doomsday due to climate change.

i dont know where you are getting your information. i am at a university with a world-class atmospheric science dept. and i am not hearing scientists changing their minds. as a freshman in the early 70s, i took an environmental science class and clearly remember the warnings regarding greenhouse gases but never thought it would be a concern in my life time. then 20-30 years later i saw their predictions come true before my eyes. if this is not man-made global warming then what is it?? what is your alternative explanation?? the world is warming ten times faster than when we came out of the ice age!! does not seem natural to me.

 

[2fast2slow]

scientists (I'd like to think of myself as one of them) have brought us life saving and life extending modern medecin, computer technology with the internet and magical little smart phones and now computers that are learning, brought us to the moon and will bring us to mars, scientist have delivered us electric cars with SUPER fast charging, scientist have managed to harness nuclear energy and smash invisible particles,...and the list goes on...if they say anthropogenic climate change is happening i believe them. Period. Money has always been part of the process, and the scientific commmunity has always had flawed individuals, but these progresses happened anyways.

 

[Bred Sob]

A small setback, granted, but the noble struggle will go on.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...-protest-involving-1-800-liters-fake-n1061886

 

[minutemenX]

scientists (I'd like to think of myself as one of them) have brought us life saving and life extending modern medecin, computer technology with the internet and magical little smart phones and now computers that are learning, brought us to the moon and will bring us to mars, scientist have delivered us electric cars with SUPER fast charging, scientist have managed to harness nuclear energy and smash invisible particles,...and the list goes on...if they say anthropogenic climate change is happening i beleive them, period. Money has always been part of the process, and the scientific commmunity has always had flawed individuals, but these progresses happened anyways.

And scientists not politicians, not media and surely not the public will solve the problem. Thus, we do not need an additional taxation, just increasing support for the fundamental science and hard-core engineering. Canada spends on science the smallest portion of GDP of all developed nations.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Not a long video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eiPIvH49X-E&feature=youtu.be

 

[2fast2slow]

Not a long video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eiPIvH49X-E&feature=youtu.be

too long for me...

first of all, this is from 2014, a lot has changed in 5 years...second of all, thirty seconds into the video comes the phrase ''science is being hijacked by the left''.... Red flag right there, no patience for language like that.

This 'event' was sponsered by the Heartland Institute...geez...You see their name on the curtain behind the podium... The Heartland Institude is well known for its climate denial tactics, and for some of its well known donors and supportors like the Koch brothers...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/15/leak-exposes-heartland-institute-climate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute


Is that the best you can do STN? What's your skin in the game?

 

[jalimon]

Is that the best you can do STN? What's your skin in the game?

he is just probably like 75% of citizens of alberta who denies climate changes as it could impact their way of living.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

^^^^^^ Again, you do not comprehend very well, " we " do not deny climate change, what would it take for you to understand that. We know it is changing, we also know bankrupting us will not alter climate change, we know a tax will not alter climate change, we also know Canada is neither the problem or the solution to climate change. Can not believe that after I have repeated this many times you still post the crap that we are climate deniers, beyond words.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Is that the best you can do STN? What's your skin in the game?

My skin in the game is that I am not going into panic mode that doom is around the corner. Not falling for the BS of a scripted mentally handicapped speech, not about to believe that Canada can alter the climate.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

I know it was a set up but I can see Jaliman taking a shine to this girl.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...r-woman-tells-aoc-we-must-start-eating-babies

 

[No_Church_InThe_Wild]

I’m not taking any shots at anyone here . Just feel the need to clarify a misconception.
We do not necessarily have skin in the game just because we don’t agree on the level of urgency or what is the exact reason for the climate change ( androgenic or not ) . And this is not a trivial detail mind you .

We might be in the minority, but since when does being in the majority mean that one is right ?
Again sorry but we don’t have our heads in the sand . We are not indifferent just because we didn’t take to the streets and march . We do not care less than others , and we certainly don’t claim to have all the answers like some of you do .

It’s just that we tend to be more sceptical, and don’t jump to conclusions fast .


We will do our part however small it may be .
Let’s grapple environmental pollution, deforestation and perhaps soon overpopulation and slowly but surely begin cleaning our act.

But allow enough time for the scientific community to prove that the movement is based on scientific proven undisputed facts. Do not send us some sixsteen year old telling us that our world is ending soon and all sorts of misinformation.


At a healthy snails pace to begin . ( not2fast and not2slow ) lol

KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON must be the movements slogan :canada:

Ok enough silliness its time for breakfast getting hungry

 

[jalimon]

I know it was a set up but I can see Jaliman taking a shine to this girl.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...r-woman-tells-aoc-we-must-start-eating-babies

I actually like the answer of AOC in front of an obviously deranged person.

Cheers,

 

[2fast2slow]

It’s just that we tend to be more sceptical, and don’t jump to conclusions fast .

you are talking to Mr Skepticism here. My wife constantly comes to me about the latest study about this and about that, and i almost always roll my eyes. I understand how the media spins stuff to make catchier headlines (and hence to make more money). I have been around the block a few times and am skeptical about everything i hear.

I too was skeptical about climate change in the begining, like 20 YEARS AGO! I remained skeptical for a long while. I think i really only started 'believing' about 5 years ago. What really convinced me is the increase in extreme weather and the accelerated melting of the polar caps. On a local level winters are no longer snowy as they are icy. When i was a kid, we would get rain after snow that would freeze over once a winter. Now EVERY snow storm is followed by rain. Drives me crazy as I like to cross country ski in the city.

Even though i worry about climate change, i think Trudeau did the right thing to buy and build the pipeline. I am still pragmatic. I dont think we need to stop suddenly burning fossil fuels over night. But we do need to have a clear trend of reduction. Looks like it is going to happen anyways. Just policies like those of the republicans in the US just make it take longer.