Coronavirus

[wetnose]

What if this new variant is resistant to vaccines?

Not going to speculate. Avoid the media hype, take a deep breath and let's wait for the word from real experts.

Omicron: How worried should we be?

Scientists are closely watching a new variant - but there are few clear answers.

www.bbc.com

It is early days and the confirmed cases are still mostly concentrated in one province in South Africa, but there are hints it may have spread further.
Immediately there are questions around how quickly the new variant spreads, its ability to bypass some of the protection given by vaccines and what should be done about it.
There is a lot of speculation, but there are very few clear answers.

There have been many examples of variants that have seemed scary on paper, but came to nothing. The Beta variant was at the top of people's concerns at the beginning of the year because it was the best at escaping the immune system. But in the end it was the faster-spreading Delta that took over the world.

This variant seems to give quirky results (known as an S-gene dropout) in the standard tests and that can be used to track the variant without doing a full genetic analysis.
That suggests 90% of cases in Gauteng may already be this variant and it "may already be present in most provinces" in South Africa.
But this does not tell us whether it spreads faster than Delta, is any more severe or to what extent it can evade the immune protection that comes from vaccination.
It also does not tell us how well the variant will spread in countries with much higher vaccination rates than the 24% of South Africa that is fully vaccinated, although large numbers of people in the country have had Covid.

 

[cloudsurf]

Israel has declared a state of emergency after 3 men who had recently travelled to Malawi where found to be infected with the new South African strain of Covid. The three men had been fully vaccinated.
The new variant has been found to spread easier and faster than Delta. It`s also more prevalent in young adults.
Not yet known if its deadlier than other strains or if it more easily evades boosters. Scary news for the world.

BTW if some of you are wondering why stocks are taking a bloodbath this morning then you can at least partially blame it on fear of this new variant.

 

[sene5hos]

Travel restrictions multiply for African countries over fears of a new variant.

South African scientists were meeting with W.H.O. experts on Friday to discuss a concerning new coronavirus variant. An increasing number of countries imposed restrictions on travel to and from the region.

www.nytimes.com

Countries around the world moved to restrict travel from southern Africa on Friday in a frantic effort to keep a newly identified, and apparently significantly evolved, variant of the coronavirus from crossing their borders.

The European Commission proposed that its members activate the “emergency brake” on travel from countries in southern African and other countries affected to limit the spread of the new variant.

“All air travel to these countries should be suspended until we have a clear understanding about the danger posed by this new variant,” Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Union’s executive arm, said in a statement. “And travelers returning from this region should respect strict quarantine rules.”

In the past, governments have taken days, weeks or months to issue travel restrictions in response to new variants.
This time, restrictions came within hours of South Africa’s announcement — at least 10 countries around the world had announced measures before South African scientists had finished a meeting with World Health Organization experts about the variant on Friday.

Canada?

 

[gaby]

QUÉBEC ce jour......1037 nouveaux cas ...c'est inquiétant vu la hausse importante ces derniers jours/semaines et à la veille de la période des fêtes......je constate que de plus en plus les gens baissent la garde....attention il n'y a rien de gagner et

faudra que LEGAULT--DUBÉ le rappellent encore davantage....heureusement que les hospitalisations et soins intensifs demeurent sous contrôle.....MAIS faut vraiment rester sur ses gardes...

 

[cloudsurf]

Quebec has twice the per capita rate of daily cases as Ontario . Ontario has asked that Canada close flights to and from Sub Sahara Africa but Trudeau so far hasn`t taken action , unlike most of Europe and England. Trudeau is too busy lobbying with African nations for their votes on him being nominated for the chairmanship of the UN ........to be concerned about his citizens health and safety.

 

[sene5hos]

New variant = his name = OMICRON

 

[sene5hos]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/southern-africa-variant-canada-travel-1.6263898

Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos announced Friday that Canada will limit travel from seven countries in southern Africa, a region that has reported cases of a new — and possibly more infectious — COVID-19 variant.

Starting today, all foreign nationals who have travelled through South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Lesotho and Eswatini or Mozambique in the last 14 days will be barred from entering Canada.

Canadian citizens and permanent residents will be allowed to return home from these countries but they will be required to wait for the results of a COVID-19 arrival test at a hotel.
If the test is negative, those returning travellers will be released to quarantine for a mandatory 14 days at home. They will also be required to go through a so-called "day eight" test on the eighth day of quarantine.

 

[gaby]

OUI... et les ETATS-UNIS viennent aussi d'interdire les vols en provenance de l'Afrique du Sud à compter du 29 Novembre.....le CANADA va sûrement suivre dans les heures qui viennent.

 

[wetnose]

Quebec has twice the per capita rate of daily cases as Ontario . Ontario has asked that Canada close flights to and from Sub Sahara Africa but Trudeau so far hasn`t taken action , unlike most of Europe and England. Trudeau is too busy lobbying with African nations for their votes on him being nominated for the chairmanship of the UN ........to be concerned about his citizens health and safety.

@ 1.40pm, Canada banned entry of foreign nationals who have travelled through those areas in the last 14 days:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1464303060390498311

 

[gallantca]

Time will tell, but if it is indeed less deadly, as we all certainly hope.

Chair of South African Medical Association says Omicron cases are mild so far, but it's too soon to determine the risk of severe disease

"We really just need to hold tight to see how this plays out and what our next move is," an epidemiologist at UTHealth School of Public Health said.

www.yahoo.com

Then since it is clearly more transmittable, it might be the big chickenpox party that finally ends this when it becomes the really bad cold that everyone has had, or won’t get at all, due to vaccinations.

Germany reports first two cases of Omicron variant

The positive cases, found in a group of around 600 passengers, will be examined to see if they are the new Omicron variant.

www.thejournal.ie

If it is more deadly, then the world is going to become a smaller place. Air Canada stock dropped double digits yesterday, and gif know that ain’t the strongest company financially anyway. It is popular to ban outsiders, or Blame Canada as the South Park guys did in an old musical (long before Covid), but there are consequences to isolation. Hopefully when Canada bails out Air Canada it is a grant not a loan, so we don’t have to repay them via higher airfares.

I was listening to a doctor from Harvard that was not trying to grand stand like some media types

Very simply he said "virus like to evolve so as to transmit as much as possible and not kill their host". Hopefully this new variant got the memo.

But to your comment "if it is more deadly", the good news is Moderna and Pfizer have stated they can turn around a modified vaccine quickly. Based on the fact we now have the infrastructure for vaccine distribution, scheduling, administration plus the sanitary mechanisms for passports etc, this will be very different from the early days.

On the Air Canada front, maybe they should make the CEO explain in French why the need the bailout. That will save taxpayers tons of money.

 

[bonerland citizen]

Well now it looks like Covid19 was just the "Training" virus.

 

[sene5hos]

Merck's Covid pill is effective, FDA says. Experts will now review safety.

Merck’s drug would be the first that patients could take at home to ease symptoms and speed recovery.

www.nbcnews.com

Federal health regulators say an experimental Covid-19 pill from Merck is effective against the virus, but they will seek input from outside experts on risks of birth defects and other potential problems during pregnancy.

The Food and Drug Administration posted its analysis of the pill ahead of a public meeting next week where academic and other experts will weigh in on its safety and effectiveness.
The agency isn’t required to follow the group’s advice.

I am not optimistic about this pill.

 

[gaby]

Well.....really hope it will work...yesterday la FDA a déclaré que ce médicament--malnupiravir---était efficace pour éliminer LES FORMES GRAVES de la maladie....c'est déjà un avancé important .

 

[wetnose]

I was listening to a doctor from Harvard that was not trying to grand stand like some media types

Very simply he said "virus like to evolve so as to transmit as much as possible and not kill their host". Hopefully this new variant got the memo.

I read that too, but then doesn't it make sense that evolution is entirely random?

If the contagiousness of a new variant can outpace the viciousness of it, then why not?

Edit: also there's a chance it may just take longer to kill, while being more infectious. (like AIDs) Or it may not kill but cause more organ damage. We just don't know enough at this stage.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Lol Like I said covid will never end as long as society keeps on complying. Government will never let go of these emergency powers. They will run out of Greek alphabets. I could not have said it better then this meme.

 

[cloudsurf]

Say hello to omicron . It just arrived in Ottawa . Pretty well all we know about it is that its reputation precedes it.

 

[Francoquart]

Say hello to omicron . It just arrived in Ottawa . Pretty well all we know about it is that its reputation precedes it.

Clearly the "taking boosters shoot" concept failed to achieve desired results and sales, so a new "scare" is required. They are already giving dates for the vaccine against it. Pfizer said 3 months, while Modena thinks early 2022, which is also roughly the same time. Of course, governments need to panic and start measures so that it is taken seriously. Wondering how the passport will be obtained once the propaganda machine rolls on for this variant?

 

[cloudsurf]

One more good reason not to get vaxxed.
Studies now show that severe covid can cause diabetes . Makes your cum sweet as honey and the girls just can`t help but line up for a taste.
Drug companies can`t lose .....if they can`t sell you their jabs then they`ll sell you insulin instead. Yup listen Franco and C500 and lose your legs and eyesight to diabetes.

Patron what`s your point in bringing up the bad cold comparison again ? Has a bad cold ever shut down an airport or a country ? Bad cold my ass.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Drug companies can`t lose .....if they can`t sell you their jabs then they`ll sell you insulin instead. Yup listen Franco and C500 and lose your legs and eyesight to diabetes.

Buddy, I got the two doses so do not put my name in your post. You do not get it but I am against authoritarianism not against the vaccine. Government is not our parents and they got no business meddling in peoples personal lives. If some people choose to not get vaccinated and they get sick because of their decision then that is on them but the choice to vaccinate has to be for them to make not the government and when I say force that includes coercion like vaccine passports and mandatory vaccines mandated by employers.

 

[Francoquart]

One more good reason not to get vaxxed.
Studies now show that severe covid can cause diabetes . Makes your cum sweet as honey and the girls just can`t help but line up for a taste.
Drug companies can`t lose .....if they can`t sell you their jabs then they`ll sell you insulin instead. Yup listen Franco and C500 and lose your legs and eyesight to diabetes.

Patron what`s your point in bringing up the bad cold comparison again ? Has a bad cold ever shut down an airport or a country ? Bad cold my ass.

Please can you be a bit more dramatic?!?!
It can also cause strokes and other kind of complications If Severe, and so can any other type of flu. Sadly, complications are sometimes created by your own immunity responses to the virus. I was not even discussing the vaccine, which I believe should be taken by those willing. It should not be considered as the miracle solution, and therefore it is necessary that people, especially the young ones, develop natural immunity to it. By forcing the Vaccines (they are many now, and many more to come apparently), they are eliminating that possibility. Some doctors are even of the opinion that if vaccination rates are higher than 40 percent, the variants are inevitable.
Back to what I wrote before, it is more about the exaggerated reactions regarding the Variant, and how Pfizer and Moderna are already capitalizing on it. Furthermore, given some government's reaction, was wondering if the vaccine will be enforced through the passports.