Climate change

[Jazzman1218]

I do not understand why you even brought that up. Religious beliefs of the Conservatives is irrelevant to this topic or this thread. If you want to discuss this it best to post this in the abortion thread. Having said that, what I was talking about is if governments were serious about climate change they would stop encouraging more population growth. In Canada the Child Care Benefit is the next biggest thing after Universal Healthcare. Canada is not the only country paying people or giving lots of financial benefits to couples to have more kids.

Baby bonus - Wikipedia

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Here is a list of countries that do this and some of them are very generous with it. How much hard working people money they stole with taxes to redistribute it to others to have kids? How fair is that? Someone worked for the money that they will never see it while someone else will get someone else's earnings. Governments turned kids into a commodity. But from carbon taxes to paying people to have more kids, we can see their true agenda is profits not climate change. They use climate change to fool people to add more taxes and make money. More taxes will not change the weather or modify human behavior which is greed. Greed is the root cause of all problems. More human population is directly proportional to more man made climate change and more destruction of natural habitat and displacement of animals and/or reduction in their population.

Perhaps your anti immigration comments don't belong here either. Immigration has no effect on world population, but a woman's right to decide to bear a child certainly does. Also governments aren't stealing tax dollars or encouragimg their citizens to have more children. Rather they are assisting lower income citizens who have children to reduce child poverty and help their most vulnerable citizens.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Also governments aren't stealing tax dollars or encouragimg their citizens to have more children. Rather they are assisting lower income citizens who have children to reduce child poverty and help their most vulnerable citizens.

Sure it is theft, it is taken by force. If you do not pay your taxes the government sends you to jail. That is the definition of extortion. If a robber robs you and starts giving away your money to poor people is that really helping? Helping is when someone voluntarily donates their own money to a charity or directly to poor people. The government is not helping, they are using taxpayers money for political and financial gain. Like Aristotle said " The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal.” Having said that, governments give money to people to have kids because their true reason for that is to increase their tax base. When you give money away it is to encourage more child births. Each child born means a potential taxpayer from 18 to 65 years of age and even longer. They claim to want to stop climate change but as we can see the reality is those are all lies. Increasing the population will only further accelerate man made climate change.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Sure it is theft, it is taken by force. If you do not pay your taxes the government sends you to jail. That is the definition of extortion. If a robber robs you and starts giving away your money to poor people is that really helping? Helping is when someone voluntarily donates their own money to a charity or directly to poor people. The government is not helping, they are using taxpayers money for political and financial gain. Like Aristotle said " The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal.” Having said that, governments give money to people to have kids because their true reason for that is to increase their tax base. When you give money away it is to encourage more child births. Each child born means a potential taxpayer from 18 to 65 years of age and even longer. They claim to want to stop climate change but as we can see the reality is those are all lies. Increasing the population will only further accelerate man made climate change.

What a typical spurious libertarian argument. "Taxation is theft." Governments have the right to tax their citizens and businesses. If you defy the law you risk punishment. That's not extortion. What trump tried to do to zelenskyy in July 2019 was extortion. Let's try to keep this thread on topic. It's about climate.

 

[Womaniser]

What a typical spurious libertarian argument. "Taxation is theft." Governments have the right to tax their citizens and businesses. If you defy the law you risk punishment. That's not extortion. What trump tried to do to zelenskyy in July 2019 was extortion. Let's try to keep this thread on topic. It's about climate.

If the governments doesn't tax citizens, you will have to build yourself roads, highways and bridges, etc.
Or private companies will build them and make profits by charging you to use them !

 

[Jazzman1218]

Back to climate after a brief libertarian derailment. July, 2023 was Earth's hottest month on record. Phoenix AZ hit at least 110 degrees for 31 straight days breaking the previous record of 18 days in 1974.

 

[Amanda Vosch]

 

[wetnose]

A fungal threat to humans, as climate change increases average temps

https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/features/valley-fever-fungus-disease-climate-change

 

[nothinghere]

Sun freaking out some more!!

Strong (G3) Geomagnetic Storms Observed - 05 Aug 2023

Sun again ramping up predicting peak activity 2025!

Solar maximum could hit us harder and sooner than we thought.

Trudeau will "Protect Canadians with carbon tax" Bwahahaha

 

[wetnose]

The weirdly hot Canadian summer:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/climate-change-something-changed-summer-2023-canada-1.6929271

Drought is one example. Canada's a big place and it's always dry somewhere, but not like this.

Agriculture Canada's June 30 drought map shows most of the country was abnormally dry. Large stretches of the Prairies were under at least a moderate drought, pushing to extreme in southern Alberta.

In British Columbia, once the "wet coast," 28 out of 34 river basins were at the province's top two drought levels. Ranchers were selling cattle that they couldn't grow enough hay to feed, and low streamflows were threatening salmon runs.

And it's been hot. Although the east was generally normal, the west wasn't.

From May through July, Kelowna, B.C., experienced 36 days of weather more than 30 C. The normal count is 16 C. Norman Wells, not far from the Arctic Circle in the Northwest Territories, set a new record of 38 C on July 8.

Environment Canada senior climatologist Dave Phillips toted up the number of warm temperature records set this summer versus the number of cold records.

"If the climate was balanced, you'd have as many cold records as warm records," he said.

Nope. There were 372 new hot-temperature marks and 55 cold ones.

 

[Don Julio]

Does anyone here actually believe that the carbon tax in Canada will alter climate change or anything Canada does will alter climate change? The tax seems to effect the economy only and give the US a bigger economic advantage.

 

[Don Julio]

A bit of reading material, many climate doom sayers do little research and only follow their media of choice.

Climate change causes another year of record highest ever coral cover on Earth’s largest reef « JoNova

joannenova.com.au

And yes, the climate is changing not denying it at all but going EV or trying a tax to stop it is ridiculous.

 

[Jazzman1218]

I couldn't disagree more. Climate change advocates are much more educated on the reality of planet warming and potential solutions than are deniers. It's going to take a worldwide, multipronged effort to address this crisis. A carbon tax and sustainable transportation are only part of the solution. For example, the world also needs to reduce fossil fuel use, invest in renewable energy, improve farming practices and produce more plant based foods, reclaim carbon from the atmosphere, protect our forests and oceans, reduce plastics, etc. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Be part of the solution.

 

[gaby]

MAUI/HAWAI....catastrophic wildfires....tragic devastation....at least 36 people dead....des milliers qui évacuent....tropical paradise qui se transforme en enfer....horrible tragedy.

 

[Don Julio]

You do have a point but why should a country like Canada spend a trillion ( over the years ) to do something that will have zero impact on climate change. The US has reduced there GHG's 5% from 2015 to 2020 ( the dates are approx ) while Canada is 3%, when the Canada global footprint is 1.6% and to spend the huge amount of money to bring it down to 2000 levels which in turn will do nothing to alter climate change.
For your plastic comment, notice all the paper products being used all the sudden, remember save the trees, ban plastic bags.
Again, do agree with the climate is changing but I have more of a concern for future generations economic well being and that is going down rapidly. The carbon tax does absolutely nothing to alter climate change, but it will assist in bankrupting people and some will even lose their house over it.
It is stated that oil use will continue to increase for a long time and it will. With the cost of electricity going up in some cases EV vehicles cost more per mile to fill than ICE vehicles, this will effect their sales as people will think affordability over the climate.
Now this is just speculation but in 10 - 20 years when we are still OK with the climate the alarmists will say " We did it, we saved the plant " meanwhile if nothing was done the outcome would be the same except our economy would be in far better shape.
Canada had a PM with an agenda to promote every fear group and special interest group, climate change is on top of his list while he flies around the world in one or two private jets. Never trust someone who promotes climate change while flying averywhere. Do a search on the amount of private jets at the summits, one would think with all their thoughtfulness about climate they would consider an alternative way to hold meetings.
Mentioned this before but take a visit to the Texas oilfields and then tell me how bad you have it in Canada.

 

[Don Julio]

MAUI/HAWAI....catastrophic wildfires....tragic devastation....at least 36 people dead....des milliers qui évacuent....tropical paradise qui se transforme en enfer....horrible tragedy.

Just a short read.

How did the Maui fires start? What we know about humans making disasters worse

Environmental experts say the deadly wildfires ravaging Hawaii illustrate the effects of human habitation as untended grasslands have flourished.

www.usatoday.com

The same is for the fires in the rest of the US and Canada. People are part or the cause.

 

[gaby]

SOME experts say so....mais j'ai aussi lu que c'était aussi la conjonction de 3 facteurs....1- une sécheresse exacerbée ces dernières années par un changement climatique/météo avec des vents toujours plus forts et plus secs....2- des plantes invasives inflammables oui introduites par les habitants...3-aussi les séquelles de l'ouragan Dora qui attisent les flammes....un beau cocktail explosif et dévastateur.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I couldn't disagree more. Climate change advocates are much more educated on the reality of planet warming and potential solutions than are deniers. It's going to take a worldwide, multipronged effort to address this crisis. A carbon tax and sustainable transportation are only part of the solution.

This does not make any sense at all. So far, the carbon tax had no effect on carbon emissions. A tax will not change the weather but the government is fooling people into thinking that it will and is making lots of money off this scam. But the results speaks for itself, since the carbon tax got enacted in Canada carbon emissions have remained stable.

Greenhouse gas emissions - Canada.ca

Climate change is one of the most important environmental issues of our time. Climate change is caused by the increase in concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. These increases are primarily due to human activities such as the use of fossil fuels or agriculture. The indicators...

www.canada.ca

This is from the Federal government website.

For example, the world also needs to reduce fossil fuel use, invest in renewable energy, improve farming practices and produce more plant based foods, reclaim carbon from the atmosphere, protect our forests and oceans, reduce plastics, etc. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Be part of the solution.

This is an oxymoron because governments are doing their max to increase the population because they just care for money. The rest is just a smoke and mirrors. Increasing the population means more natural habitat is being destroyed to build more condos for more people. More razing of forests. China and India are the biggest polluters so I think they need to focus on them first. With 1.5 billion people in China and another 1.5 billion people in India they are causing a lot of pollution. And as for plastics, remember how many masks were being used and thrown away for the fake covid pandemic? And also plastic bottles selling water is still going on and neither will the government do anything to stop it.

 

[Jazzman1218]

This does not make any sense at all. So far, the carbon tax had no effect on carbon emissions. A tax will not change the weather but the government is fooling people into thinking that it will and is making lots of money off this scam. But the results speaks for itself, since the carbon tax got enacted in Canada carbon emissions have remained stable.

Greenhouse gas emissions - Canada.ca

Climate change is one of the most important environmental issues of our time. Climate change is caused by the increase in concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. These increases are primarily due to human activities such as the use of fossil fuels or agriculture. The indicators...

www.canada.ca

This is from the Federal government website.

This is an oxymoron because governments are doing their max to increase the population because they just care for money. The rest is just a smoke and mirrors. Increasing the population means more natural habitat is being destroyed to build more condos for more people. More razing of forests. China and India are the biggest polluters so I think they need to focus on them first. With 1.5 billion people in China and another 1.5 billion people in India they are causing a lot of pollution. And as for plastics, remember how many masks were being used and thrown away for the fake covid pandemic? And also plastic bottles selling water is still going on and neither will the government do anything to stop it.

We disagree. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

 

[nothinghere]

SOME experts say so....mais j'ai aussi lu que c'était aussi la conjonction de 3 facteurs....1- une sécheresse exacerbée ces dernières années par un changement climatique/météo avec des vents toujours plus forts et plus secs....2- des plantes invasives inflammables oui introduites par les habitants...3-aussi les séquelles de l'ouragan Dora qui attisent les flammes....un beau cocktail explosif et dévastateur.

Point #4 - Maui is located in a very active volcanic area.

 

[gaby]

oui...importante remarque....