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You are a talented writer, I will give you that.

Because all of this, your holier than thou attitude, is just to get a rise out of people, and to instigate conflicts.

What's "holier than thou" about pointing out your grossly crystal clear bias against non-Leafs fans in view of the incontestable fact you pursue the faults of others and sell out to friends. Just being honest would have spared you your manic episode above...which is quite a piece of anger-obsessed work. None of this statement is anything but FACT. Why is it Toronto fans are so blatantly arrogant in trying to push everyone else off the threads, always attacking longtime fans as ignorant about hockey just because they aren't Leafs fans. Has 46 years left you guys that desperate for validity?

BTW: where's the hockey in your dirge? Your original point was to stick to hockey??? Wasn't it? The rant proves my point.

"Five straight losses in five games that all went to overtime seems to defy logic.

Yet that's exactly what has happened to the Detroit Red Wings after they dropped a 5-4 shootout to the New York Islanders Saturday night at the Nassau Coliseum.

While there is no clear-cut answer as to what the problem is once regulation ends, several of the Red Wings had possible explanations for the mind-boggling losing streak after the Islanders' Frans Nielsen scored the only goal of the shootout in the latest setback."

Quote: "It comes down to confidence. It is tough. We can't find a way to win the game. But I think we battled hard tonight -- Henrik Zetterberg"


http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2013/11/power-play_problems_among_the.html

DETROIT – The power-play problems that plagued the Detroit Red Wings at the start of the season have resurfaced.

The Red Wings are just 1-for-18 on the power play in their past six games and 3-for-29 in their past 10 games.

“I’m sure we’ll look at some video, but I think right now we have to get the puck to the net a lot more and get some second chances,'' defenseman Niklas Kronwall said. "It’s a little bit too much one-and-done, breaking the puck out a few too many times. We have to be able to sustain a little bit better pressure and get the puck to the net a little bit more often.”

The Red Wings had four consecutive power plays early in the second period Saturday but could not convert during 7:24 with the extra man, including 36 seconds of five-on-three. It was a key juncture in their 3-2 overtime loss to the Tampa Bay Lightning.

“It’s something we have to work on; it’s really important to take advantage of that,’’ Henrik Zetterberg said. “You got to practice it, put more time on it. We have to really bear down when we get our chances and score goals.’’

The Red Wings went 0-for-10 on the power play in their first four games of the season. Overall, they rank 20th in the NHL at 16.4 percent (9-for-55).

Part of the problem, which also affects them at even strength, is a lack of support for Zetterberg (10 goals, 20 points), Pavel Datsyuk (seven goals, 18 points) and Daniel Alfredsson (three goals, 13 points).

They need more production from Stephen Weiss and Johan Franzen, in particular, after they return. Weiss (two goals, three points) could be out another week due to a pulled groin. Franzen (two goals, five points) hopes to be ready for Tuesday’s game against the Winnipeg Jets at Joe Louis Arena, after sitting out five of the past six games with what the club said is an upper-body injury.

“The guys that are dressed tonight – if you look at the (NHL) Guide and Record Book – who do you expect to score other than those guys?’’ coach Mike Babcock said after Saturday’s game. “Alfie, there is it.

“All these (other) guys are going to pitch in some goals. If you look at our (Western Canada) swing when we won, (Justin Abdelkader) got three points and (Tomas Tatar) has three points and (Joakim) Andersson has three points. That’s why you win, because you get some balanced scoring beside your main guys. But reality is until you’ve done it year after year in this league, I don’t know how surprised you are (by the lack of secondary scoring). We got to check better.’’

The Bruins has the same terrible problem for a few years. They couldn't figure it out for a long time. Mostly it was one key position change on power plays, Chara in front of the net, that turned things around so far.

Cheers gents,

Merlot
 

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Indeed, considering all the injuries (and suspensions) Toronto has had to deal with, it is rather incredible that they're still among the conference leaders. This in itself is a considerable achievement.

All teams have injuries at some point. Case in point: Tampa Bay clearly has suffered the BIGGEST loss, with the tragic injury to the great Steven Stamkos. As for suspensions, the wise thing to do is to play by the rules and therefore AVOID them.
 

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I agree, Mr. C. However, it doesn't take away the fact that what the Leafs have done this season has been nothing short of amazing, considering all the injuries (and suspensions) that they've had to deal with over the season, especially at the center position.

Imagine where the Red Wings would be in the standings should they lose Datsyuk or Zetterberg. They don't have anything else in their lineup other than those two.

Tampa Bay will not make the playoffs this season following the devastating injury to the best player in the NHL.
 

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From NHL.com (paraphrased by JC, not a direct quote):

Going into the games of this past Sunday, Nov. 17th, the record of the West over the East was 82-36-13....in other words, pure domination.

EVERY season since 2005-2006, the West has won over 50% of its games against the East.

These facts might be of interest to people who have erroneously been bragging about how the East is better.
 

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You do btw realize your teams play in the East, dont you, cairo? :confused:

I dont think anyone ever said the East was better, just that the 2 new teams in the East would struggle in the bigger tougher Eastern Conference. There are 3-4 teams from the East that could hang in the west, Pitt, Toronto and Boston (possiby Washington) and that is about it at this point in the season after 1/4 the way thru. (i took Tampa out since the loss of Stamkos will likely see them slide down the standings rather fast)

Proof is in the pudding, the red wings are 5-6 against the east and Columbus is 6-12. Those are real and true facts my friend.

The only way i see the red wings making the playoffs is if they stay healthy all season. If one or all of Howard, Zetterberg or Daytsuk goes down at one time or heaven forbid all at once, it is lights out on any hope they have. Let's see how they do this week, they have 3 very winnable games.
 

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You do btw realize your teams play in the East, dont you, cairo? :confused:

I dont think anyone ever said the East was better, just that the 2 new teams in the East would struggle in the bigger tougher Eastern Conference. There are 3-4 teams from the East that could hang in the west, Pitt, Toronto and Boston (possiby Washington) and that is about it at this point in the season after 1/4 the way thru. (i took Tampa out since the loss of Stamkos will likely see them slide down the standings rather fast)

Proof is in the pudding, the red wings are 5-6 against the east and Columbus is 6-12. Those are real and true facts my friend.

The only way i see the red wings making the playoffs is if they stay healthy all season. If one or all of Howard, Zetterberg or Daytsuk goes down at one time or heaven forbid all at once, it is lights out on any hope they have. Let's see how they do this week, they have 3 very winnable games.

I see that you are continuing your instigating in the WRONG thread and that you are AGAIN breaking the rules YOU set out in post # 1.

I posted a legitimately interesting hockey FACT and you decided to try to start an argument by bashing the Wings.

Also, learn some manners! When you address ME, it's Mr. Cairo, and when you write about a team, their name is in capital letters: "Red Wings", NOT "red wings" - got it?

You are ALSO supposed to spell the names of players PROPERLY, as YOU stated in post # 1. After all this time - and after all the times I've corrected you - surely to God you should know that the correct spelling is "Datsyuk" and not your latest attempt at humor with ""Daytsuk" (sic)! FOLLOW THE RULES!

Now, I suggest that you STOP breaking the rules. If you want to argue, do it in YOUR free for all thread and I'll be more than happy to beat you at your little game, as I always do...but keep THIS thread for legitimate hockey talk without the kindergarten stuff!
 

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Rofl! You say you want facts and when i use them you still find something wrong, especially when they are not in favor of one of your teams... no pleasing you bro. Life is too short to be upset, so calm down and talk hockey and have fun with the coolest game on earth, my friend :thumb:



I see that you are continuing your instigating in the WRONG thread and that you are AGAIN breaking the rules YOU set out in post # 1. I posted a legitimately interesting hockey FACT and you decided to try to start an argument by bashing the Wings.Also, learn some manners! When you address ME, it's Mr. Cairo, and when you write about a team, their name is in capital letters: "Red Wings", NOT "red wings" - got it?
You are ALSO supposed to spell the names of players PROPERLY, as YOU stated in post # 1. After all this time - and after all the times I've corrected you - surely to God you should know that the correct spelling is "Datsyuk" and not your latest attempt at humor with ""Daytsuk" (sic)! FOLLOW THE RULES!Now, I suggest that you STOP breaking the rules. If you want to argue, do it in YOUR free for all thread and I'll be more than happy to beat you at your little game, as I always do...but keep THIS thread for legitimate hockey talk without the kindergarten stuff!
 

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MR.Cairo, I suggest that you leave the interpretation of the rules to the moderators. Last time I checked, posting stats and facts about a particular team did not qualify as 'bashing'. If you have a problem with a member's post, use the report function to bring it to a moderator's attention.

M8
 

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MR.Cairo, I suggest that you leave the interpretation of the rules to the moderators. Last time I checked, posting stats and facts about a particular team did not qualify as 'bashing'. If you have a problem with a member's post, use the report function to bring it to a moderator's attention.

M8

1. I have done so in the past and nothing was done.
2. Oddly, Iggy previously made a similar complaint in this very thread when I posted an opinion on a hit by Nazem Kadri. He took this as "instigating". This was basically the same situation, except that he did it far less politely than I did.
3. Please note that he failed to display the respect demanded in his own rules and also that he misspelled a player's name - ALSO a violation of the rules that HE established in post #1.

Observation: Rules are fine but should apply equally to all.
 

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Clarkson has been a beast in evey game he has played so far for the "buds" and even when he does not register on the score sheet, he contributes ten fold............. the sign of a true Pro! he does everything asked of him every shift and is a true Maple Leaf tride and true and will beloved for years to come. :thumb:

Nice post Rev!

PS...I was sooooooooooooooooooo happy to see him get his first goal as a Maple Leaf tonight! Great great GREAT NIGHT!
 

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As any true hockey fan would know, David Clarkson was not acquired for his goal-scoring skills. He was acquired for his grit & leadership skills. He'll be expected to score his usual 20+ goals per season, but as we know goals were the last thing on Dave Nonis' mind when he acquired him.

Many teams wanted to sign Clarkson, including New Jersey, Montreal, Ottawa and Edmonton, among many. Edmonton had offered him more money, but Clarkson wanted to play for his hometown team, the Maple Leafs. Toronto was one of the big winners in the free agent sweepstakes when they signed Bozak & Clarkson. Montreal were big losers...who did they sign other than "La Moustache"a.k.a. the white Georges Laracque? Oh yeah, little Danny Briere, 36 years old and a history of concussions, who hasn't done anything in the past few years. But they tried to go after Lecavalier and Clarkson, who both snubbed la sainte flanelle for greener pastures.

Detroit, on the other hand, didn't do much. Did they sign anyone? Did they make any significate trades? Me thinks that the NHL's most overrated management team possibly misread their talent level (and their coaching) and figured they didn't have to make any moves. Oh yeah, i remember now...they signed 40 year old Daniel Alfredsson. Hah-hah!!! :lol:
 

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Have to comment today since the Oilers won 2 in a row :) Do not want to jinx it but I will return if they can do 3 in a row.
 

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Detroit, on the other hand, didn't do much. Did they sign anyone? Did they make any significate trades? Me thinks that the NHL's most overrated management team possibly misread their talent level (and their coaching) and figured they didn't have to make any moves. Oh yeah, i remember now...they signed 40 year old Daniel Alfredsson. Hah-hah!!! :lol:

Luckily for the Wings, Alfie is outscoring almost everyone on the Leafs.
 

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Luckily for the Wings, Alfie is outscoring almost everyone on the Leafs.

Maybe, but Alfie is injury-prone, and the Wings are struggling badly and likely will miss the playoffs. I'd be surprised to see Babcock not get the axe should his team miss the playoffs, but stranger things have happened.

Will Zetterberg be back next season? How long will Datsyuk put up with a losing team until he asks to be traded? Will Mike Illitch put the team up for sale? And finally, WHO WANTS TO PLAY AND LIVE IN DETROIT ANYWAY? Detroit is one of the worse cities in North America to live in!
 

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the Wings are struggling badly and likely will miss the playoffs.

Currently struggling badly: quite true...but I would be astonished if they missed the playoffs. The Wings DO NOT miss the playoffs, and all the more so now that they are in the FAR easier East
 

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Ok, 3 in a row now for the Oilers, not talking cup yet but the parade route is being planned :0
 

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I think the acquisition of Bryzgalov will be good for the franchise and might just be the push that Dubnyk needed to play better.

Let's put it this way: The Oilers probably won't make the playoffs, but i doubt they'll finish lower than the Calgary Flames in the standings.
 

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Playoff Stats for the Post-Expansion Era:

Since 1967, there have been 45 Stanley Cup Finals. 17 different teams have won the Cup in those years. There are currently 30 teams in the NHL.

The 17 teams that have won the Cup since 1967 in order of success:

Montreal 10 Cups plus 1 more final
Edmonton 5 Cups plus 2 more finals
Detroit 4 Cups plus 2 more finals
Islanders 4 Cups plus 1 more final
Boston 3 Cups plus 6 more finals
New Jersey 3 Cups plus 2 more finals
Pittsburgh 3 Cups plus 1 more final
Philadelphia 2 Cups plus 6 more finals
Chicago 2 Cups plus 3 more finals
Colorado 2 Cups
Calgary 1 Cup plus 2 more finals
Rangers 1 Cup plus 2 more finals
Dallas 1 Cup plus 1 more final (and also 2 finals in earlier incarnation as Minnesota North Stars)
Anaheim 1 Cup plus 1 more final
LA 1 Cup plus 1 more final
Carolina 1 Cup plus 1 more final
Tampa Bay 1 Cup

Another 6 teams have made the finals but have not won the Cup.

The 6 teams that have made the finals but have not won the Cup:

Vancouver 3
St. Louis 3
Buffalo 2
Washington 1
Ottawa 1
Florida 1
Note: An EARLIER Minnesota team (the North Stars - who became the Dallas Stars) but not the current Wild, also made the finals twice.

That leaves only 7 of the current 30 teams that have never won the Cup OR reached the finals since 1967.

The 7 teams that have failed to win the Cup OR EVEN make the finals in the post-expansion era:

Minnesota (although the PREVIOUS Minnesota team DID make the finals twice)...first NHL season (as CURRENT Minnesota team) 2000-2001
Winnipeg...first NHL season (as CURRENT Winnipeg team) 2011-2012 (current team was previously Atlanta, and an EARLIER Winnipeg team became Phoenix)
Columbus...first NHL season 2000-2001
Nashville...first NHL season 1998-1999
Phoenix...first NHL season 1996-1997 (current team was previously Winnipeg)
San Jose...first NHL season 1991-1992
Toronto...first NHL season 1917-1918
 

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OK, let me see if I've got this right. I'm not exactly a student of hockey, but I'm pretty darn good at math, or in this case arithmetic. We are talking about a period of 46 years, am I correct? All but one of these 7 serially failed teams have been in existence for less than half of those 46 years. Still on the mark, am I? So, not only has the Toronto franchise not won the Stanley Cup, or Coupe Stanley, in 46 years, but they haven't even made it to the finals????

Am I correct that this is not something to be envied? Am I further correct that it's fair to say that the Leafs have sucked mightily for this extended period of time? My pretty good mathematical skills would suggest to me that, of the 30 franchises in the NHL, the Toronto Maple Leafs are the very worst?

That begs another question? Why haven't the Leafs been dropped to the AHL with another, less hapless team elevated?
 

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I don't expect this to continue but we might as well at least enjoy the moment.

Current NHL scoring leaders: 1. Crosby 2. Zetterberg 3. Ovi
 
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