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Looking at the big picture Montreal needed to take one game in Boston and they did. You guys didn't think Montreal was going to sweep the series did you?

Subban is proving to be a major force in this series and the Bruins could have used him on their power play. Montreal still has home advantage for the series.

I need to chip in.

Montreal did steal a win in Boston, but that's what it was: a steal. Actually, it was a heist of gigantic proportions. There were badly outplayed & outshot by Boston throughout the game and lost because a hot Mtl goalie and a lot of luck on Mtl's part. Sure, it's tied 1-1. However, the way Mtl has played (especially in game 1), i wouldn't be exactly too optimistic for Mtl.

Second point. Calling Subban a 'force' is misleading. I will admit that he was a difference-maker in game 1. But yesterday his presence on the ice may have cost his team a win. He was a -2 for yesterday's game. He's been a minus (-) player all season long. That's what you get with PK Subban: a lot of offense, but a major defensive liability. He seems to be on the ice nearly every time the opposition scores when at even strenght. Would he be able to play 60 minutes a game, his team would possibly wind up losing every game if you look at the numbers.

Subban's only plus for the team is on the powerplay. He has a tremendous shot from the point. But that's it. He's useless at even strenght and if you watch the game carefully, you'll notice that nearly every time he's on the ice, the opposing team gets at least one good scoring chance.

PK Subban is one of the most overrated players in the NHL and that's a fact.
 

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Subban is also a major force at being a bitch with his extremely dirty play against Thornton in which he cowered just like the coward he is and took Thornton's knee out. Scumbag even apologized to Thornton after knowing it was a shit play. But hey, the Habs never play dirty, right???!!!???

I don't like Subban very much. Actually, i don't like the habs very much either. However, to be fair to Subban, i've watched this play over & over and i can't fault Subban on that play. I don't even think he saw Thornton coming. Subban isn't exactly a great skater & has never had good balance on the ice. We're used to seeing him flopping all over the ice & i think this was just a case of him losing his balance at the same time Thornton was heading towards him. Simple bad luck.

However, Thornton never missed a shift, which was shocking to see since the way he was acting as he was coming off the ice, you were almost certain that he had suffered a major knee injury and that his playoffs were definitely over. Kudos to him for coming back so soon, even though i'm certain he knee must still have been hurting him. Thornton is a very courageous player & every team in the NHL would dream of having such a warrior on their team.
 

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Funny the way Subban is hated by most of the Boston fans and the only one to be constantly booing... But hey, nothing to do with racism, this "bitch" deserve it ;)
Subban is actually hated all over the league. In every city they've visited this season, he was booed tremendously. He's a very polarizing player (and a hot dog) and players like him are easiy to hate. I was at a game in Mtl a couple of months ago and even the local fans booed him a few times when he kept coughing up the puck again and again.
 

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I knew it!! This must mean Habs fans are racist toward Slovakians since every time Chara touches the puck he's booed in Montreal ;)

I never understood exactly why habs fans have always booed Zdeno Chara. The booing started even before the infamous Max Pacioretty incident. Chara doesn't hog the cameras, he's very low profile and the furthest thing from being a hotdog....he's never said a bad word about Mtl and its fans...he just goes there and does his job, which is very well.....i just never got it. Plus, he looks like he's a great guy off the ice.

The only thing i can think of is JEALOUSY. Sure he's been very good throughout his career and likely heading to the hall-of-fame once he retires. But is this a reason to start booing a player? They should consider themselves fortunate that they've had the opportunity to witness such a great player in person.
 

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when suban play against pittsburgh ...we hate him too=always harrassing crosby....so...it is the same for me...i do hate him...not because is black..i just hate him...
 

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when suban play against pittsburgh ...we hate him too=always harrassing crosby....so...it is the same for me...i do hate him...not because is black..i just hate him...
So you hate Subban also? That's strange coming from a habs fan. I'd love to have Subban on my team. Actually, there are 29 other teams in the league who would roll the red carpet to welcome Subban on their team and he'd quickly become a fan favorite on any team he plays for.
 

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Things are quite simple about Subban, guys.

1/ THat's not because you hate him that you are racist.

2/ But the fact he is the only very good black player and that he is the more booing in the league, shows that there must be a part of racism in it. What have been written before the match on social media prove it

3/ But even if you don't like him, the way he is harassed by some racists could prevent you to say dirty thing about him. And more important, you shouldn't try to deny the obvious fact he is victim of racism.
 

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He's useless at even strenght and if you watch the game carefully, you'll notice that nearly every time he's on the ice, the opposing team gets at least one good scoring chance.

PK Subban is one of the most overrated players in the NHL and that's a fact.

Nineteen minutes later.


I'd love to have Subban on my team. Actually, there are 29 other teams in the league who would roll the red carpet to welcome Subban on their team and he'd quickly become a fan favorite on any team he plays for.

You're in fine form today Doc. :thumb:
 

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THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE UGLY

by Mitch Melnyk

THE GOOD

Carey Price. His opening game performance was epic. His save on Milan Lucic in game two was as good as any this post season. He put his team in a position to win both games. The Bruins know it's no longer a matter of beating Jimmy Howard or Jonas Gustavsson. Now if Price can just get a little more help, and get a couple of his defensemen out of the way, he might be able to finish writing the great playoff upset story, instead of merely being part of a road block on Boston's way to another Conference Final.

P.K. Subban. Highest scoring defenseman in the playoffs with 9 points in 6 games. A constant threat every time he has the puck. Bruins' fans hold their breath (when not booing) when the puck lands on P.K.'s stick inside the Boston blue line. Better yet was his response to the knuckle draggers who remind us that evolution was just a theory. Subban should make you proud to be a Montrealer.

Josh Gorges. Hard to get much love when you're Subban's partner but he's been rock solid. Had a Game Two leading six blocked shots.

Mike Weaver. Keep waiting for major cracks to appear in Habs' third defense pair. When it did happen it was either on the other side of the ice or when he was on the bench. Has anchored Montreal's perfect penalty killing unit (5-5) led by an inspiring 5 on 3 kill for a full minute early in game two.

Power Play. Firing at 50% (4-8). Critical to Montreal's success especially as Boston continues to try to bully them in an effort to set the tone early, or to put it more bluntly - intimidate. It's led by Subban, of course, but Thomas Vanek's two deflection goals were much needed considering how impotent the Habs' top offensive line has been 5 on 5.

Lars Eller - Brian Gionta - Rene Bourque. Best line on the ice in game one. Not very good in game two as Boston made some obvious adjustments. Bourque skated well in Saturday's loss and used his body but Gionta & Eller struggled big time.

THE BAD

Brandon Prust. The fact that he's playing is admirable. But if can't play any better because of injuries (ribs/shoulder) he shouldn't play at all. This is a series made for a physical player like Prust. But if he's purposely missing a smaller player like Torey Krug when he has him lined up for a hit behind the net it's because he can't do it. Whatever scoring chances he's had have been easy for Tuukka Rask to stop because Prust can't elevate a shot. The effort is always there from Prust. And maybe the coaching staff feels the team is better off with this popular player at less than 50% than a perfectly healthy Ryan White. But it's hard to imagine him getting much better.

Max Pacioretty. Had some scoring chances and helped set up a key goal on the power play but needs to take his game to another level. Didn't like the body language early in game two when he was crushed into the boards by Zdeno Chara. I know it hurts. But Pacioretty sagged then looked back at the referee. As Claude Julien likes to say, there's a lot of "crap" that goes on at this time of the year. You gotta dig deep and play through it. While players like Pacioretty, Brendan Galagher, David Desharnais, Gionta and now Rene Bourque are obviouus targets it's up to Montreal's bigger forwards to respond physically. Bourque is trying. Dale Weise has got to get in on the act. Maybe Travis Moen gets back in. But Pacioretty has to start using his 6' 2" frame. Not to take himself out of a play. But to create a little more space for himself. And to soften up some of those Boston defensemen. And then it's up to Michel Therrien to try find a way to get Desharnais -Vanek - Pacioretty on the ice when Chara isn't.

Francis Bouillon. Just unlucky. But wonder if Montreal staff isn't thinking about Jarred Tinordi at this point. They should be.

Face Offs. Not much the Habs can do about this. They managed to win the opener even though the Bruins dominated (58% - 42%). Plekanec made up for a badly lost draw on the game tying goal by beating Patrice Bergeron on the power play overtime winner. Montreal barely improved Saturday (46%). Through the first two games, Plekanec is at 41%, Desharnais & Eller are 44% and Daniel Briere at 42%. Without an obvious go-to guy Michel Therrien has to pay attention to detail. Important defensive zone face offs, especially late in a period or late in the game shouldn't automatically go to Plekanec.

Third Period. Again, I don't know if there's much the Habs can do other than to limit the damage. Outscored 7-2 in the third period through the first two games, Montreal is discovering firsthand what Boston did to the rest of the league this season (Third period goal differential +48. Next best was St. Louis at +22). Saturday's game marked the first time this season the Canadiens lost a game in regulation time after entering the third period with the lead. With the ice so tilted in favour of Boston over the final 20 minutes in each game this is a case where one can actually see the difference between experience and inexperience. You know about the Bruins. Among the Habs who are going through the second round of the playoffs for the first time - Pacioretty, Desharnais, Eller, Bourque, Gallagher, Weise, Bournival, Weaver, and Alexei Emelin. Or nearly half the team.


THE UGLY

Claude Julien. I know Montreal fans would love to see Julien quit the whining, an act as old as the NHL itself. But when Julien took the bench minor penalty after Vanek's goal made it 3-1, the Habs could have buried Boston. Instead it was the Bruins who responded to their coach who was just echoing (loudly) what they were feeling. Julien sees how dangerous the Montreal power play is - again. He also knows his team is going to continue to take penalties. It's part of who they are and what they do. So this "crap" the poor, downtrodden Bruins have to plough through was just a pre-emptive strike prior to heading into hostile territory. Because as I look back - whether it was the Meszaros penalty on Tomas Plekanec (it could have been interference, holding or roughing), the Miller minor for mugging Gallagher in front of the net, or the Dougie Hamilton interference call on Pacioretty, there wasn't a single penalty that wasn't earned. And it was the Bruins who were the beneficiaries of an early 5 on 3.

Stephen Harris. This Boston Herald "writer" is renowned around the league for sticking his face into whichever Bruins ass he's standing behind. I get homerism. But he takes it to another level. The definition of a hack. And he's been hacking away for 35 years.

Banners hanging from the roof of TD Garden. I love all those Celtics championships being displayed - the definition of a true dynasty. And the Bruins Cup wins. But hanging banners for winning the Adams Division? How small do your sticks have to be to honour something as meaningless as that?

Racism. While the Celtics were winning all those NBA titles in the 1960s (1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969) its best player - Bill Russell - had to endure unspeakable acts of cowardice. The most publicized was when he tried to move into a new home in a mostly white neighborhood. Neighbours got together to sign a petition to try to keep him out. It failed. Then they tried to buy the new home from Russell. That too failed. As Russell's former teammate Tommy Heinsohn once observed, "The guy won two NCAA championships, 50-some college games in a row, the Olympics, then he came to Boston and won 11 championships in 13 years, and they named a fucking tunnel after Ted Williams." Williams' employer - long time Red Sox owner (1933 - 1976) Tom Yawkey - was a racist. Boston was the last MLB team to sign a black player. It wasn't until 1959 - 12 seasons after Jackie Robinson had broken the colour barrier - that Yawkey finally caved and signed infielder Pumpsie Green. Other players of colour were buried in the minors or traded. The forced busing issue of 1974 brought out the worst on both sides. There is a dark underbelly of racism in Boston that cannot be denied. Modernists will tell you it's ancient history. The fact is - it's there. Bubbling under the surface. As the years and decades pass the ugliness gets buried deeper and deeper. But it remains an embarrassment to the good people of a great city. P.K. Subban (and Joel Ward before him) has already heard and experienced the worst of human behaviour - long before he helped beat the Boston Bruins. And a few dick heads on twitter only reminds the rest of the world where Boston once was. Not where it's going.

PS - I was at the Bell Centre in 2004 when a "fan" threw a banana on the ice during a stoppage in a Montreal - Carolina match up. The goaltender for Carolina that day was Kevin Weekes.

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Carolina fires Kirk Muller & rest of coaching staff (minus A Lil' Bit of Love)

Ron Francis did not waste much time executing his new power.

The new general manager of the Carolina Hurricanes fired head coach Kirk Muller and assistant coaches John MacLean and Dave Lewis, the club announced Monday, one week after Francis took the reins from former GM Jim Rutherford.

The Hurricanes also reassigned goaltending coach Greg Stefan to the pro scouting department. Assistant coach Rod Brind’Amour will remain part of the coaching staff.

"We thank Kirk, John and Dave for their time and effort during the past three seasons,” Francis, who also serves as the team’s executive vice president, said in a statement. “Kirk and his staff worked very hard, but we feel that the team is in need of a fresh start at this time.”

Muller, 48, compiled a record of 80-80-27 during three seasons with Carolina after being named head coach on Nov. 28, 2011, when he took over for Paul Maurice.

Muller failed to lead his team to a post-season berth in three attempts. It was the Kingston, Ont., native’s first head coaching position in the NHL.

“It would be an open search at this point,” Francis said at Monday’s media address. “We’ll start with a few names on a list.

“I’ve already had some calls and emails today from people wanting to throw their name in the hat, so I think [position is] very attractive.”

Francis outlined the vision he had for who will become the new bench boss. Ideally, he said, the Canes will have someone in place by the 2014 NHL Draft, slated for June 27 and 28 in Philadelphia.

“The biggest thing I’m looking for is a guy that’s a teacher,” Francis said. “You have to be accountable as a player, and having someone in that position that holds them accountable wouldn’t be a bad thing.”

Carolina finished a disappointing 13th in the 16-team Eastern Conference this season with a 36-35-11 record.

The coaching changes mark the latest in a series of moves that has seen the Hurricanes also hire Mike Vellucci as assistant GM and director of hockey operations and promote Brian Tatum to assistant general manager.

Rutherford, who also owns part of the team, has remained in an advisory role as team president.

The Hurricanes join the Vancouver Canucks, Nashville Predators, Washington Capitals and Florida Panthers in a search for a new bench boss.

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Why don't you just post the links, Doc ?
 

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finallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy crosby is scoring:peace:

and fleuryyyyy shut out 2 in a row...hell yeahhhh that is my team;)
 

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Maple Leafs should go big with Babcock

Red Wings head coach Mike Babcock is under contract for one more year, but it sure looks like he’s available. Bringing him in to replace Randy Carlyle is a possibility Leafs president Brendan Shanahan should explore.

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by Dave Feschuk, The Toronto Star

We’ve been hearing the promises for a while now.

Change is coming to Leafland. Renovation is pending. And yet, Randy Carlyle is still dangling.

So what’s the holdup? Before newly inserted president Brendan Shanahan hauls out his franchise-fixing tool chest he’s been making like a human suggestion box. Word is Shanahan has been holding a series of meetings with players and coaches and management, learning from the past to better plot the future.

Here’s a brainwave that should be pursued in the present. The Maple Leafs ought to make a run at Mike Babcock as their next head coach.

Babcock, of course, needs zero introduction. He’s the singular bench boss who’s won a Stanley Cup, two Olympic gold medals, a world championship and a world junior. He’s the perfect candidate to replace the ill-fitting Carlyle. And yes, in a not-so-minor complication, he’s also under contract to the Detroit Red Wings through next season.

That detail, if you know anything about Leafs CEO Tim Leiweke, won’t be a deterrent to a potential Toronto recruiting drive. And luckily for the Leafs, there appears to be enough disharmony in Motown to suggest Babcock would be more than keen to listen to out-of-the-box pitches.

In a curious development in Detroit, Babcock has said it’s doubtful he will talk with the Red Wings about a contract extension this summer. There have been suggestions that he’s waiting to see what the Red Wings will do to upgrade their roster; that he’s of the mind Detroit’s Stanley Cup window may have already closed in the waning days of the Datsyuk-Zetterberg era; that the man who’s won pretty much everything at age 51 might be intrigued by the idea of new challenges. He might enjoy working in a place where playoff games aren’t taken as a ho-hum given.

We all saw Babcock lapping up the spotlight in Sochi earlier this year: he relished his time at the centre of the hubbub created by Canada’s national team. His stellar work at the Olympics, on the bench and on the podium, is only proof he’d be the perfect daily spokesman for the country’s most fussed-over NHL team.

But this isn’t simply about media savvy. Babcock is a better fit for this Leafs roster than Carlyle ever will be. For two-plus seasons Carlyle’s been trying to get a speed and finesse team to play a power game. It would be intriguing to see Babcock, a believer in the power of puck possession, trying to flip Toronto’s notoriously hopeless shot differential on its head.

What else could the Leafs offer Babcock other than a possibly impossible task? Well, he’s making a reported $2 million in Detroit; the Leafs, who have money above all things, could heap far more on his annual pay stub.

Those who know him say he’d also like more say in organizational decisions, which can’t happen in a Detroit hierarchy in which the accomplished Ken Holland runs the show. Shanahan, a self-professed consensus builder who’s heading into in his rookie season running an NHL franchise and played a season under Babcock in Detroit, could woo his former coach with the promise of input and influence.

Certainly there are less bold paths for the Leafs to tread. There are other coaches the Leafs could consider. Perhaps Todd McLellan, the former Babcock assistant who’s been the head man in San Jose for six seasons, would be seen as a fit if the Sharks’ ownership opts for a post-first-round-collapse cleansing. But many of the other available options — the likes of John Tortorella and Peter Laviolette and Barry Trotz — aren’t being seen as upgrades. Kirk Muller, fired Monday as head coach in Carolina, is a former teammate of Shanahan’s, but there are questions about his acumen as an in-game adjuster. Steve Spott, the Marlies coach, is doing fine work and building a name. But Toronto isn’t the ideal place for a first-year NHL coach.

Another alternative would be to retain Carlyle for another season and wait for Babcock’s deal to expire next summer. Maybe the Leafs swap out a couple of Carlyle’s assistant coaches so they can pay lip service to reinvigorating the staff. That strategy wouldn’t just ignore Carlyle’s central role in two historically epic failures, it would also allow any number of other teams to make a competing plan to get Babcock on board.

Going after Coach Canada now would give the Leafs a leg up. It would also be a classic Leiweke move, a big-name, big-impact addition under the watch of a CEO who hates going small. But no one’s saying this would be an easy transaction. Since Babcock is under contract, perhaps the Red Wings would demand compensation for his services. Since sports leagues don’t look kindly on trades for coaches, it could be tricky going.

Still, maybe if Holland and Babcock see their relationship heading for a mutually agreeable end — and the lack of an extension suggests this is likely — maybe Holland doesn’t put up much of a fight. Maybe the Red Wings don’t relish the idea of spending the next year with Babcock in limbo and musing publicly about the direction of the franchise. And even if it might give Holland pause to envision Babcock coaching a division rival, maybe the Red Wings are of the belief they, too, are in need of a change.

Needs are relative, of course. In Detroit, where Babcock has been instrumental in extending the franchise’s ongoing playoff streak to 23 seasons and counting, there’s dismay that the Red Wings haven’t advanced past the first round since 2009. In Toronto, were there’s blasé resignation that the Leafs haven’t made the playoffs in eight of the past nine seasons, Babcock’s Detroit run would qualify as the stuff of deity creation.

Holland recently called Babcock “one of the best coaches in the NHL,” which seems like an undersell. The Leafs, should they one day introduce him at another triumphant news conference, would be happy to call him the flat-out best in pro sports. You can make an argument he’s in that conversation. This past year he pulled off a bit of magic, taking an injury-ravaged roster largely stocked with minor-leaguers and guiding it to the post-season. Carlyle’s team squandered playoff games for night-fishing with pals.

In a spring that’s seen Leiweke promise transformative change in another debacle’s wake, Shanahan can’t pass up an opportunity to cast a line at a big catch. If Babcock’s not available, he certainly looks it. If Shanahan doesn’t see the opening and explore the possibility, he should better acquaint himself with the man who hired him.

Leafs should go big with Mike Babcock

As i've been saying all along, Tim Leiweke had a plan when he went after Brendan Shanahan & part of that plan included his best shot at landing well-respected coach Mike Babcock. Babcock would be a great fit with these Leafs! :thumb:
 
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Good luck on the leafs getting him out of Detroit. It would be a nice fit in Toronto, but he seems happy or there. Time will tell.
 
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