Even in a 48 game season I wouldn't expect Markov to play in half of them. He'll be injured soon.
2013 NHL Official Hockey Thread
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What is next for pk suban
if the MOntreal canadian start with at least 2 or 3 more win in a row he will have to come back and get an agrement with the team.
if the MOntreal canadian start with at least 2 or 3 more win in a row he will have to come back and get an agrement with the team.
Hello Fellow REAL Hockey Fans, 
It sure has gotten quiet from Toronto for several days. So how are they doing??? :thumb:
DOUGIE...DOUGIE...DOUGIE...
Not that we didn't already have 100% proof Boston got the better of the Kessel trade with Tyler Seguin and a Stanley Cup Championship, but now Dougie Hamilton (another addition from the same trade just 19 years old) is starting to prove he's the real deal, another huge bonus of a huge Toronto mistake.
Dougie Hamilton doing it all for B's
http://espn.go.com/boston/nhl/story/_/id/8883377/boston-bruins-rookie-dougie-hamilton-doing-all
BOSTON -- In the waning minutes of the Boston Bruins' 4-2 win over the New York Islanders Friday night at TD Garden, the 17,565 in attendance began to chant: "Dougie, Dougie, Dougie."
Well, it didn't take long for rookie defenseman Dougie Hamilton to make his presence felt in Boston. So far, in his first four games of his NHL career, the 19-year-old blueliner has done just about everything the Bruins were hoping to see from their former first-round selection (ninth overall) in the 2011 NHL entry draft.
He's solid defensively. He's not afraid to use his 6-foot-5, 199-pound frame to physically shut down the opposition. He plays a sound positional game. From an offensive standpoint, he's been jumping up into the play and has been using his big shot to get pucks on the net.
So fans have every reason to chant "Dougie, Dougie, Dougie."
"I don't know," he said sheepishly when asked what he thought of the chants. "I was trying not to fumble the puck when I was going back there for it."
Still, he appreciates the gesture by the hometown crowd.
"It would have been better if I had scored on that one instead of hitting him in the head. It's obviously nice to have that support from the fans. It's pretty cool," he said.
Hamilton finished the night with two assists and now has three points in four games.
Bruins coach Claude Julien offered a few reasons for Hamilton's early success. During the lockout, the rookie blueliner played for his junior team, the Niagara IceDogs of the OHL, and he also played for Team Canada in the World Junior Championship.
"He's come in here with obviously a good jump, having played four months of hockey, and right now he's playing with a lot of confidence," Julien said. "The guys he's been playing with have been extremely helpful with him on the ice. Our guys drafted him because they saw a lot of things that we're seeing right now. We liked his size. We liked the way he moved on the ice, but at the same time, we thought he had really good hockey sense. He sees the ice well and he finds the passing lanes."
Case in point: On the Bruins' fourth goal, a breakaway tally by Patrice Bergeron, it was Hamilton's breakout, cross-ice pass to Brad Marchand that set up the insurance goal.
"That was a perfect breakout right there," Bergeron said. "Dougie found the seam to Marchy, and Marchy was open, he came down low to get that passing lane open and it spread their forecheck and I was able to get the breakaway.
"It's amazing to see he's 19 years old. It's just a number for him on the ice, you can't tell at all. His poise is unbelievable and it's great to have him on our side."
From the organization's rookie camp last summer to training camp prior to the start of this lockout-shortened, 48-game season, team president Cam Neely, general manager Peter Chiarelli and Julien have all held Hamilton's play and attitude -- both on and off the ice -- in high regard.
His fellow defensemen have been impressed, too.
"He's been playing really good," said Johnny Boychuk. "He's really poised with the puck. It's good to see he's comfortable out there and playing his game and not trying to do anything that's extra ordinary. He's making the right plays, the simple plays, and he's doing a really good job of finding guys, too."
Hamilton's transition to the NHL game has been a relatively smooth one.
"Well, for me it was a couple of years," Boychuk said with a laugh. "It's just getting used to the speed of the game. It's a lot faster here than juniors, obviously, and he's been adjusting really well to it. He's a really good guy and if you tell him something, or give him a pointer, he listens and he's down-to-earth. It's nice to see that."
Bruins captain Zdeno Chara, who scored his first goal of the season -- a game-winning tally at 7:07 of the third period to give Boston a 3-2 lead -- was quick and to the point when asked about Hamilton's night.
"Strong game again," Chara said.
Hamilton is only four games into his promising NHL career, but his maturity and skills are those of a seasoned veteran. It would be easy for a first-round draft pick to lose a sense of his game once he reaches the NHL, and stumble. Hamilton will have some growing pains, but the early sample size has been impressive.
Let's not enshrine the kid in the Hall of Fame and raise his No. 27 to the rafters just yet, but he is certainly showing the early signs of being a special player in Boston.
"You have to be pleased and impressed with a young player playing the way he has been," Julien said.
Those "Dougie" chants will likely become a staple of Bruins games at the Garden for the foreseeable future.
"He's been real great for us," Milan Lucic said. "You can tell he's got a lot of confidence, he's got a lot of skill, and you can see why he was a highly touted player before he came to the NHL. We're real lucky and fortunate to have him and let's hope he keeps progressing."
Thanks Mr. Burke, :eyebrows: :nod:
Merlot
Glad to see the Leafs have implemented Carlyle's defensive system to purrr-fection.
It sure has gotten quiet from Toronto for several days. So how are they doing??? :thumb:
DOUGIE...DOUGIE...DOUGIE...
Not that we didn't already have 100% proof Boston got the better of the Kessel trade with Tyler Seguin and a Stanley Cup Championship, but now Dougie Hamilton (another addition from the same trade just 19 years old) is starting to prove he's the real deal, another huge bonus of a huge Toronto mistake.
Dougie Hamilton doing it all for B's
http://espn.go.com/boston/nhl/story/_/id/8883377/boston-bruins-rookie-dougie-hamilton-doing-all
BOSTON -- In the waning minutes of the Boston Bruins' 4-2 win over the New York Islanders Friday night at TD Garden, the 17,565 in attendance began to chant: "Dougie, Dougie, Dougie."
Well, it didn't take long for rookie defenseman Dougie Hamilton to make his presence felt in Boston. So far, in his first four games of his NHL career, the 19-year-old blueliner has done just about everything the Bruins were hoping to see from their former first-round selection (ninth overall) in the 2011 NHL entry draft.
He's solid defensively. He's not afraid to use his 6-foot-5, 199-pound frame to physically shut down the opposition. He plays a sound positional game. From an offensive standpoint, he's been jumping up into the play and has been using his big shot to get pucks on the net.
So fans have every reason to chant "Dougie, Dougie, Dougie."
"I don't know," he said sheepishly when asked what he thought of the chants. "I was trying not to fumble the puck when I was going back there for it."
Still, he appreciates the gesture by the hometown crowd.
"It would have been better if I had scored on that one instead of hitting him in the head. It's obviously nice to have that support from the fans. It's pretty cool," he said.
Hamilton finished the night with two assists and now has three points in four games.
Bruins coach Claude Julien offered a few reasons for Hamilton's early success. During the lockout, the rookie blueliner played for his junior team, the Niagara IceDogs of the OHL, and he also played for Team Canada in the World Junior Championship.
"He's come in here with obviously a good jump, having played four months of hockey, and right now he's playing with a lot of confidence," Julien said. "The guys he's been playing with have been extremely helpful with him on the ice. Our guys drafted him because they saw a lot of things that we're seeing right now. We liked his size. We liked the way he moved on the ice, but at the same time, we thought he had really good hockey sense. He sees the ice well and he finds the passing lanes."
Case in point: On the Bruins' fourth goal, a breakaway tally by Patrice Bergeron, it was Hamilton's breakout, cross-ice pass to Brad Marchand that set up the insurance goal.
"That was a perfect breakout right there," Bergeron said. "Dougie found the seam to Marchy, and Marchy was open, he came down low to get that passing lane open and it spread their forecheck and I was able to get the breakaway.
"It's amazing to see he's 19 years old. It's just a number for him on the ice, you can't tell at all. His poise is unbelievable and it's great to have him on our side."
From the organization's rookie camp last summer to training camp prior to the start of this lockout-shortened, 48-game season, team president Cam Neely, general manager Peter Chiarelli and Julien have all held Hamilton's play and attitude -- both on and off the ice -- in high regard.
His fellow defensemen have been impressed, too.
"He's been playing really good," said Johnny Boychuk. "He's really poised with the puck. It's good to see he's comfortable out there and playing his game and not trying to do anything that's extra ordinary. He's making the right plays, the simple plays, and he's doing a really good job of finding guys, too."
Hamilton's transition to the NHL game has been a relatively smooth one.
"Well, for me it was a couple of years," Boychuk said with a laugh. "It's just getting used to the speed of the game. It's a lot faster here than juniors, obviously, and he's been adjusting really well to it. He's a really good guy and if you tell him something, or give him a pointer, he listens and he's down-to-earth. It's nice to see that."
Bruins captain Zdeno Chara, who scored his first goal of the season -- a game-winning tally at 7:07 of the third period to give Boston a 3-2 lead -- was quick and to the point when asked about Hamilton's night.
"Strong game again," Chara said.
Hamilton is only four games into his promising NHL career, but his maturity and skills are those of a seasoned veteran. It would be easy for a first-round draft pick to lose a sense of his game once he reaches the NHL, and stumble. Hamilton will have some growing pains, but the early sample size has been impressive.
Let's not enshrine the kid in the Hall of Fame and raise his No. 27 to the rafters just yet, but he is certainly showing the early signs of being a special player in Boston.
"You have to be pleased and impressed with a young player playing the way he has been," Julien said.
Those "Dougie" chants will likely become a staple of Bruins games at the Garden for the foreseeable future.
"He's been real great for us," Milan Lucic said. "You can tell he's got a lot of confidence, he's got a lot of skill, and you can see why he was a highly touted player before he came to the NHL. We're real lucky and fortunate to have him and let's hope he keeps progressing."
Thanks Mr. Burke, :eyebrows: :nod:
Merlot
Crossing The Line
Speaking of the Bruins, I am reading a really excellent book about former Bruins star Derek Sanderson, who was a key player on the Bruins 1970 and 1972 Stanley Cup teams. The book is called "Crossing the Line." I read it has been on the bestseller list in Canada for 3 months and that Ed Burns, a well known independent filmmaker who made "Brothers McMullen" and starred in Saving Private Ryan, is making a movie based on the book which is in production. More on the book here, it's mainly about Sanderson's entire career, his struggle with alcoholism, and his ultimate conquering of the disease:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/cro...=pla&ean=9781600786808&isbn=9781600786808&r=1
For those who may not recall, Sanderson assisted on Bobby Orr's "flying goal" to win the 1970 Stanley Cup, a video of which can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOIlfV-XtBg
The book is filled with great hockey stories and is a very entertaining read to say the least............:thumb:
Speaking of the Bruins, I am reading a really excellent book about former Bruins star Derek Sanderson, who was a key player on the Bruins 1970 and 1972 Stanley Cup teams. The book is called "Crossing the Line." I read it has been on the bestseller list in Canada for 3 months and that Ed Burns, a well known independent filmmaker who made "Brothers McMullen" and starred in Saving Private Ryan, is making a movie based on the book which is in production. More on the book here, it's mainly about Sanderson's entire career, his struggle with alcoholism, and his ultimate conquering of the disease:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/cro...=pla&ean=9781600786808&isbn=9781600786808&r=1
For those who may not recall, Sanderson assisted on Bobby Orr's "flying goal" to win the 1970 Stanley Cup, a video of which can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOIlfV-XtBg
The book is filled with great hockey stories and is a very entertaining read to say the least............:thumb:
Turk had the potential to be great - he started off talented and dynamic and won the Calder Trophy. Unfortunately he wasted a lot of his talent - and a lot of his life. The great Bobby Orr, always a SUPER classy act, always stood by Sanderson - one of many reasons to have IMMENSE respect for # 4.
Hockey has a lot of sad stories relating to the bottle or drugs: some notable ones being Harvey "Busher" Jackson, Camille Henry, Doug Harvey, Jacques Richard, Pelle Lindberg, Kevin Stevens, Theo Fleury...
Hockey has a lot of sad stories relating to the bottle or drugs: some notable ones being Harvey "Busher" Jackson, Camille Henry, Doug Harvey, Jacques Richard, Pelle Lindberg, Kevin Stevens, Theo Fleury...
JC,
Sanderson leaves no stone unturned as far as being self-critical about his mistakes and gives Bobby Orr huge credit for standing by him. I believe Orr paid for his substance abuse treatment and then, once Sanderson cleaned himself up, Orr got him employment with a company Orr worked with or owned. Sanderson now works as a financial advisor for professional athletes.
Bobby Orr actually writes the forward to Sanderson's book "Crossing The Line." It is a very interesting, informative and highly entertaining read and you get the feeling that you are getting a completely uncensored look at Sanderson's life and career.
Sanderson mentions in the book how he got the nickname "Turk". He also discusses narrowly defeating Canadiens HOFer Jacques Lemaire to win the Calder Trophy.
What's really interesting is Sanderson talks about how he started drinking and how it increased. A lot of it had to do with the fact that he did not feel comfortable talking to women when sober.
Sanderson leaves no stone unturned as far as being self-critical about his mistakes and gives Bobby Orr huge credit for standing by him. I believe Orr paid for his substance abuse treatment and then, once Sanderson cleaned himself up, Orr got him employment with a company Orr worked with or owned. Sanderson now works as a financial advisor for professional athletes.
Bobby Orr actually writes the forward to Sanderson's book "Crossing The Line." It is a very interesting, informative and highly entertaining read and you get the feeling that you are getting a completely uncensored look at Sanderson's life and career.
Sanderson mentions in the book how he got the nickname "Turk". He also discusses narrowly defeating Canadiens HOFer Jacques Lemaire to win the Calder Trophy.
What's really interesting is Sanderson talks about how he started drinking and how it increased. A lot of it had to do with the fact that he did not feel comfortable talking to women when sober.
I ordered that book 3 weeks ago from Chapters & haven't received it yet. I purchased it along with R.A. Dickey's book, which i've been told is fantastic. Can't wait to read 'em!!
On another note, big blow to the Habs today when the team found out they'd be without the services of Max Pacioretty until March due to an emergency appendectomy he underwent yesterday.
The team announced Lars Eller would take up his spot on the team's top unit.
On another note, big blow to the Habs today when the team found out they'd be without the services of Max Pacioretty until March due to an emergency appendectomy he underwent yesterday.
The team announced Lars Eller would take up his spot on the team's top unit.
Doc,
You will really enjoy the Sanderson book. Great inside info, great stories and I get the feeling the book is very candid and honest. Some of the stories he tells are quite funny while being simultaneously embarrassing to him.
In the book Sanderson said he learned the "sweep check", for which he became famous, watching Norm Ullman and Dave Keon. In the book, Sanderson says he was a Leafs fan growing up and modelled much of his game after Keon whom he says was a master of the "little things" and a much better player than what he was credited for being during his career.
Sanderson also discussed winning the Memorial Cup in the juniors on a team that featured Bernie Parent in goal. There was a fairly funny incident he had with Parent which is discussed in the book.
You will really enjoy the Sanderson book. Great inside info, great stories and I get the feeling the book is very candid and honest. Some of the stories he tells are quite funny while being simultaneously embarrassing to him.
In the book Sanderson said he learned the "sweep check", for which he became famous, watching Norm Ullman and Dave Keon. In the book, Sanderson says he was a Leafs fan growing up and modelled much of his game after Keon whom he says was a master of the "little things" and a much better player than what he was credited for being during his career.
Sanderson also discussed winning the Memorial Cup in the juniors on a team that featured Bernie Parent in goal. There was a fairly funny incident he had with Parent which is discussed in the book.
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EB, if you haven't read them already, i'm certain you'd love two books full of hockey anecdotes:
Don Cherry's Hockey Stories
Don Cherry's Hockey Stories #2
They are two very entertaining books, full of hockey stories & anecdotes, similar to the Derek Sanderson book.
Don Cherry's Hockey Stories
Don Cherry's Hockey Stories #2
They are two very entertaining books, full of hockey stories & anecdotes, similar to the Derek Sanderson book.
Much as I hate to admit it there have been some good Leafs over the past 46 years (some, but not many!). The last GREAT Leaf was probably Keon - a complete hockey player with great talent in a tiny body (just 5'9" and 165 pounds soaking wet). Ullman was also great in Detroit - he was still good when he went to the Leafs but not great like in his prime with the Wings.
I'm with Doc and EB on this one - can't wait to read Turk's book. It should be a good companion piece to Espo's biography that came out a few years ago.
P.K. Subban will not return to the team unless it's on his own terms. That's simply the way he is. More & more people are saying that the Habs have offered him a low-ball contract & don't blame him one bit for holding out for more $$ and better terms.
On the other hand, the Habs don't want to bust the bank on P.K. either or else they'll need to find a way to get rid of a big contract in order to remain under next year's cap. They also don't want to make an exception (term-wise) for P.K. since they know damn well that they'll create a precedent & in the next few years, other players in the same position as Subban will want the same thing also.
If you want my opinion, P.K. will continue holding out for as long as he can & will return to the team past the half-way point of this current season, unless there's a team out there that signs him to an offer sheet. What P.K. is fully aware of is that even if he holds out for the entire season, he'll be in the boat next season. The season he's holding out in doesn't count come next season.
If i'm a team like Toronto which has Mtl as a rival, i'd sign Subban to an offer sheet a.s.a.p since even though it's likely the Habs will match the offer in order to hold on to Subban, the signed offer sheet they'd be matching would likely cause havoc to it's salary cap & general salary scale. Heck, go ahead and sign him to monstruous contract!! The Habs will likely match it!!
On the other hand, the Habs don't want to bust the bank on P.K. either or else they'll need to find a way to get rid of a big contract in order to remain under next year's cap. They also don't want to make an exception (term-wise) for P.K. since they know damn well that they'll create a precedent & in the next few years, other players in the same position as Subban will want the same thing also.
If you want my opinion, P.K. will continue holding out for as long as he can & will return to the team past the half-way point of this current season, unless there's a team out there that signs him to an offer sheet. What P.K. is fully aware of is that even if he holds out for the entire season, he'll be in the boat next season. The season he's holding out in doesn't count come next season.
If i'm a team like Toronto which has Mtl as a rival, i'd sign Subban to an offer sheet a.s.a.p since even though it's likely the Habs will match the offer in order to hold on to Subban, the signed offer sheet they'd be matching would likely cause havoc to it's salary cap & general salary scale. Heck, go ahead and sign him to monstruous contract!! The Habs will likely match it!!
The problem with subban is he wants to be paid for "potential" because frankly he is still developing and makes a ton of mistakes and has a long way to go to being that elite dman he "thinks" he is. Jake Gardiner is a better player than pk and even he does not deserve 5 mil per season long term like i hear subban is seeking.
Marc Bergevin & Michel Therrien told Alex Galchenyuk & Brendan Gallagher that they'll be staying with the Habs this season.
Personally, i think it's a mistake. They'll ruin Galchenyuk by not sending him down. He's only 18, plus there are too many distractions & temptations playing in a city like Montreal. Same goes for Gallagher, but his value to the team isn't as big as Galchenyuk's.
On top of that, the team loses one year of control over those players.....for 40+ games of hockey.
In other news, P.K. Subban will meet with Don Meehan later today in Toronto in order to plan their next strategy & who knows....possibly examine offers they may have received from other teams.
Personally, i think it's a mistake. They'll ruin Galchenyuk by not sending him down. He's only 18, plus there are too many distractions & temptations playing in a city like Montreal. Same goes for Gallagher, but his value to the team isn't as big as Galchenyuk's.
On top of that, the team loses one year of control over those players.....for 40+ games of hockey.
In other news, P.K. Subban will meet with Don Meehan later today in Toronto in order to plan their next strategy & who knows....possibly examine offers they may have received from other teams.
One team that could really use Subban is Philadelphia....I read the Flyers went hard after del Zotto but the Rangers wisely resigned del Zotto. The Flyers need major help at the defenseman position.
Most teams would be improved if they had 'a Subban'. I agree that Philly would look good with him on the blueline, especially since top defenceman Andrei Mezzaros is out for a month.
Detroit would be another team that would look better with Subban on the point, ever since the retirement of Nick Lidstrom. I also think Subban would look good in Vancouver.....he's better than every they've got right now!
Edmonton is another team loaded with several superstar-type forwards, but very poor on defence. Why not trade one of them to Mtl for Subban & a top pick?
Detroit would be another team that would look better with Subban on the point, ever since the retirement of Nick Lidstrom. I also think Subban would look good in Vancouver.....he's better than every they've got right now!
Edmonton is another team loaded with several superstar-type forwards, but very poor on defence. Why not trade one of them to Mtl for Subban & a top pick?
The Habs have announced they've signed P.K. Subban to a 2-year contract. No news about the numbers.
It was being suggested in the Bleacher Report article I posted that PK Subban deserved $5 million for 2 years, so according to Bleacher Report, Subban got exactly $750,000 more than what he deserves.
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