Climate change

[CLOUD 500]

I noticed you like to freak out about a small tax increase of .05 but you never metion the crooks sell8ng the stuff at 180 a barrell when it costs $20-50 to produce a barrell. Who's gouging here?

I suggest you recheck how much of the gas is all taxes.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/data/canadiantaxinfo

Ford urged to cut gas taxes as Ontario residents pay more than 50 cents per litre in taxes

The Canadian Taxpayers Federation called on Ontario Premier Doug Ford on Wednesday asking him to honour his promise to cut the gas tax by 5.7 cents per litre by March 31.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

The biggest crooks are the government because they are also hypocrites. They pretend to help and use a false narrative to gouge ppl. Does it not bother you at all that while we will all pay more for everything the MPs gave themselves a big raise? Trudeau needs the revenue to buy more votes and send taxpayers money to foreign countries and to jet around in his private jet. Worst part is they keep sending money to foreign countries. None of that extra money will be used to fund green energy initiatives or to help the ppl of this country or to fund infrastructure. At least corporations are not being hypocrites, they are there to make profits. The government on the other hand claims to protect and help yet is robbing people. You can decide to not buy a product or service but the government threatens jail time if you do not pay your taxes (that is how robbers operate, they make threats to steal your money). So yes it is not just 5 cents as you claim. The carbon tax will make everything cost more not just gas just about every good will cost more. So tell me how does a carbon tax do anything for climate change?

Here is one for you. Trudeau promised to plant 2 billion trees part of his 2019 election promise but so far has planted less then half he promised. Trudeau is using the money to buy votes and sending to foreign countries. How much more do you need to be convinced that the carbon tax is a hoax.

Canada has planted only 8.5M of 2B trees promised by Trudeau so far - National | Globalnews.ca

According to government data, 7.6 million of the 8.5 million trees planted since Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made his pledge were in British Columbia.

globalnews.ca

 

[CLOUD 500]

Did not mention neither qu'OTTAWA va rembourser /compenser les citoyens touchés par cette augmentation.

That is a joke. You believe everything they say? Lol Why bother to take carbon taxes if you will reimburse it? Makes no sense. Is it just to create more bureaucrat jobs?

 

[CLOUD 500]

Where do you get that scientists don't understand how climate work ?
Perhaps one in 10 thousands don't !

Well a few things come to mind. Noticed how they changed the name from "global warming" to "climate change"? Seems sketchy to me. Then these people cannot predict the next seasons forecast accurately much less the weather in the next few weeks. How can they possibly predict climate change? Seems far fetched to me. And the way they cause climate alarmism they do the same type of alarmist reporting when there is a snowstorm they make it sound so bad but when it does happen it is nothing like the way they made it sound. Noticed a pattern? Covid alarmism? Of course you believe it because the government says so it must be the Lords Gospel Truth

 

[gaby]

That is a joke. You believe everything they say? Lol Why bother to take carbon taxes if you will reimburse it? Makes no sense. Is it just to create more bureaucrat jobs?

No it's not a joke...you are the one who believes ''fake news''....and the truth is....la majorité des citoyens/familles dans les provinces cibles vont recevoir/will receive en 2022 un chèque de remboursement tous les 3 mois...et dans bien des cas c'est plus que
ce qu'ils ont payé ......enough pour les faussetés.

 

[CLOUD 500]

@gaby

You still have not explained how the carbon tax will fight climate change? If citizens are getting a refund the way you claim then why even collect it? Is it just to create jobs for bureaucrats? I want your answer and you still cannot explain it to us. I do not need to watch so called fake news to see all the scams being pushed by the Liberal government, all it takes is common sense. Unlike you I do not believe it just because the government says so, that would be being naive.

 

[LLLurkJ]

@gaby

You still have not explained how the carbon tax will fight climate change? I want your answer. Btw whatever the government is saying is the big hoax. Here is your chance to explain how it is not a hoax.

Ill bite..Carbon taxes are designed to dis-incentivize use of fossil fuels over alternatives. So buying a car or creating a plant with higher efficiency becomes more lucrative than jumping in your H2 to run to the couche tard at the end of your block. Over time other fuels become more competitive in the market for more applications, and because they gain a larger share of market the price comes even further down until eventually they out compete. The process is designed to promote fuels that add less emmisions or are carbon nuetral than oil.

In the long long run, you emit less co2 and other greenhouse gases. This allows natural geological processes to catch up with the burst of emmissions from human activity from the last 100 years.

As for your claims that the Sarah was once a fetile belt and we will all be fine: take a look at how long the change took. If we do it 10 times as fast to the planet , life cannot adapt and we will starve..or you can try planting in the arctic now t
o establish an ecosystem and see how that works out for you. Sure you could grow things in greenhouses but the cost is 5x field growing..as half the world cant even afford suffient food now, wait till you see that inflation, and subsequent riots and political destabilization due to starving families trying to escape unlivible hothole hellscapes.

If you think this is all fantasy, look up wet bulb measure of safe temperature ranges.

 

[Fradi]

I noticed you like to freak out about a small tax increase of .05 but you never metion the crooks sell8ng the stuff at 180 a barrell when it costs $20-50 to produce a barrell. Who's gouging here?

And who is allowing this our wonderful governments the same ones that are imposing the carbon tax and for the same reason the higher the price the more tax they collect on it.
What has changed since Trudeau introduced the carbon tax, Canada has the worst record for emission control among the Western world and Canada has not met one of its targets that was promised by our selfie clown but we are paying more and more taxes lol.
We know who is gouging us unfortunately we elected these scumbag crooks.

 

[LLLurkJ]

Another point that avoids climate change for those deniers: Were standing at the juncture where we can change from a fuel that will inevitably increase in costs over time and props up dictatorships and bad actors worldwide ( S.Arabia, Russia, Iran, et al) and requires massive expenditures to keep going ( US military) to where we can reduce input costs and externalities in ever greater amounts. Economically its an investement that has compounding interest.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Ill bite..Carbon taxes are designed to dis-incentivize use of fossil fuels over alternatives. So buying a car or creating a plant with higher efficiency becomes more lucrative than jumping in your H2 to run to the couche tard at the end of your block. Over time other fuels become more competitive in the market for more applications, and because they gain a larger share of market the price comes even further down until eventually they out compete. The process is designed to promote fuels that add less emmisions or are carbon nuetral than oil.

In the long long run, you emit less co2 and other greenhouse gases. This allows natural geological processes to catch up with the burst of emmissions from human activity from the last 100 years.

As for your claims that the Sarah was once a fetile belt and we will all be fine: take a look at how long the change took. If we do it 10 times as fast to the planet , life cannot adapt and we will starve..or you can try planting in the arctic now t
o establish an ecosystem and see how that works out for you. Sure you could grow things in greenhouses but the cost is 5x field growing..as half the world cant even afford suffient food now, wait till you see that inflation, and subsequent riots and political destabilization due to starving families trying to escape unlivible hothole hellscapes.

If you think this is all fantasy, look up wet bulb measure of safe temperature ranges.

That is what they say. But everything from the transportation of of goods to mining lithium requires fossil fuels and if the costs to produce are higher businesses got no incentive to change to more efficient fuels or plants all they got to do is pass on the cost to the customer which is what we are seeing. The right incentive would be to give tax breaks to companies and even citizens, not a refund I mean to cut the taxes. Now that is a great incentive. But lets look at the reality. Since 2015 carbon emissions have increased. Here is a chart from the Canada government website.

Greenhouse gas emissions - Canada.ca

Climate change is one of the most important environmental issues of our time. Climate change is caused by the increase in concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. These increases are primarily due to human activities such as the use of fossil fuels or agriculture. The indicators...

www.canada.ca

People are not going to drop their cars to take the bus because it is not always feasible. You live in the suburbs how will you get to work? Do your groceries? Besides the big cities public transit is too unreliable. Electric cars are too far from being feasible because there is not enough charging stations and it takes too long to charge. Plus the batteries generate a lot of carbon footprint also. If putting a carbon tax works so well why has not the US, China, or India implemented one? The US emitted 4.58 billion metric tons of carbon, China emitted 9.9 billion metric tons, and India 2.88 giga metric tons. Canada emits a fraction of those countries. Trudeau is making people stupid by lieing to all of us but he just needs another revenue source. It works because so many believe his false narrative. The ones affected the most by the carbon tax are the poor. They are usually the ones using the bus but everything around them like food will cost a lot more. The food you buy is not transported like in Star Trek, this stuff is transported by truck or rail which all uses diesel. If Trudeau really believed his own false narrative why has he not given up his private jet? That emits so much carbon.

As for inflation this is caused by the government with them printing bills and covid mandates. And as for people starving, this is due to greed. The government is very greedy. Greed is the cause of all conflicts on this planet.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Another point that avoids climate change for those deniers: Were standing at the juncture where we can change from a fuel that will inevitably increase in costs over time and props up dictatorships and bad actors worldwide ( S.Arabia, Russia, Iran, et al) and requires massive expenditures to keep going ( US military) to where we can reduce input costs and externalities in ever greater amounts. Economically its an investement that has compounding interest.

Trudeau shut down the pipeline so instead of using and exporting Canadian fossil fuels he rather use oil from dictatorship countries just to push his false leftist narrative.

 

[LLLurkJ]

That is what they say. But everything from the transportation of of goods to mining lithium requires fossil fuels and if the costs to produce are higher businesses got no incentive to change to more efficient fuels or plants all they got to do is pass on the cost to the customer which is what we are seeing. The right incentive would be to give tax breaks to companies and even citizens, not a refund I mean to cut the taxes. Now that is a great incentive. But lets look at the reality. Since 2015 carbon emissions have increased. Here is a chart from the Canada government website.

Greenhouse gas emissions - Canada.ca

Climate change is one of the most important environmental issues of our time. Climate change is caused by the increase in concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. These increases are primarily due to human activities such as the use of fossil fuels or agriculture. The indicators...

www.canada.ca

People are not going to drop their cars to take the bus because it is not always feasible. You live in the suburbs how will you get to work? Do your groceries? Besides the big cities public transit is too unreliable. Electric cars are too far from being feasible because there is not enough charging stations and it takes too long to charge. Plus the batteries generate a lot of carbon footprint also. If putting a carbon tax works so well why has not the US, China, or India implemented one? The US emitted 4.58 billion metric tons of carbon, China emitted 9.9 billion metric tons, and India 2.88 giga metric tons. Canada emits a fraction of those countries. Trudeau is making people stupid by lieing to all of us but he just needs another revenue source. It works because so many believe his false narrative. The ones affected the most by the carbon tax are the poor. They are usually the ones using the bus but everything around them like food will cost a lot more. The food you buy is not transported like in Star Trek, this stuff is transported by truck or rail which all uses diesel. If Trudeau really believed his own false narrative why has he not given up his private jet? That emits so much carbon.

As for inflation this is caused by the government with them printing bills and covid mandates. And as for people starving, this is due to greed. The government is very greedy. Greed is the cause of all conflicts on this planet.

Make no mistake the way our cities are organized was centrally planned, but the Euripeans dont all seem to need cars and we can model that instead.

Lithium can be obtained from geothermal wells and natural gas.

Oil is subsidized already...we bought a pipeline remeber? Market mechanisms are not at play here, itsis already a tilted system towards oil.

Canada has high co2 emissions per capita, and well need do do our part. But increasingly China is turning to nuclear and renewables. India is a shitshow that will need alot of help both technologically and politically, but it can be done. But sticking your head in the sand and saying im not gonna do anything cause China India would be assainine.

 

[LLLurkJ]

And who is allowing this our wonderful governments the same ones that are imposing the carbon tax and for the same reason the higher the price the more tax they collect on it.
What has changed since Trudeau introduced the carbon tax, Canada has the worst record for emission control among the Western world and Canada has not met one of its targets that was promised by our selfie clown but we are paying more and more taxes lol.
We know who is gouging us unfortunately we elected these scumbag crooks.

So you're saying here that you want stricter emssions controls and Trudeau is failing, or that emission controls are bullshit and Trudeau is bad because he enacted them?

 

[Fradi]

So you're saying here that you want stricter emssions controls and Trudeau is failing, or that emission controls are bullshit and Trudeau is bad because he enacted them?

I don’t know why it is so hard to decipher.
Trudeau is taking tax payer money and doing fuck all with it, we are in a worse state than when they Introduced the carbon tax.
It is a total joke, want to buy an electric car and do your part in emission control good luck you need to wait 18 months.

Even if things worked exactly as planned it is like spitting into a lake to make more water.
Until Russia, China and India start to do anything the slightest to curb emission controls what we do here is a joke and totally inconsequential and they don’t give a flying fuck about what the world thinks or does.
Too bad most don’t get a chance to visit these 3 countries maybe then they would understand.
Now give me the usual argument that it has to start somewhere lol.

 

[LLLurkJ]

I don’t know why it is so hard to decipher.
Trudeau is taking tax payer money and doing fuck all with it, we are in a worse state than when they Introduced the carbon tax.
It is a total joke, want to buy an electric car and do your part in emission control good luck you need to wait 18 months.

Even if things worked exactly as planned it is like spitting into a lake to make more water.
Until Russia, China and India start to do anything the slightest to curb emission controls what we do here is a joke and totally inconsequential and they don’t give a flying fuck about what the world thinks or does.
Too bad most don’t get a chance to visit these 3 countries maybe then they would understand.
Now give me the usual argument that it has to start somewhere lol.

The carbon tax is returned to the provinces, so Trudeau is not sitting on the taxes.

One can argue that if we dont get our act together then we cant demand goods from overseas be more carbon nuetral. If the Us stopped buying from China and more from Mexico due to co2 release regs, China would change pretty fast...theydo give a fuck about the rest of the world if it fucks up their market.

And you're arguing in bad faith here...you dont want the carbon tax or carbon mitigation but you act like you do only to say that we cant do anything cause China/India/Russia - but you propose no other solutions, only 'dont tell me we have to start somewhere' to fence in the discussion.

 

[Bbw hunter]

All this climate change happening and we still get 5 months of cold weather.
Can't catch a break.

 

[Fradi]

The carbon tax is returned to the provinces, so Trudeau is not sitting on the taxes.

One can argue that if we dont get our act together then we cant demand goods from overseas be more carbon nuetral. If the Us stopped buying from China and more from Mexico due to co2 release regs, China would change pretty fast...theydo give a fuck about the rest of the world if it fucks up their market.

And you're arguing in bad faith here...you dont want the carbon tax or carbon mitigation but you act like you do only to say that we cant do anything cause China/India/Russia - but you propose no other solutions, only 'dont tell me we have to start somewhere' to fence in the discussion.

I am not arguing at all just looking at the facts. None of the goals set out 8 years ago have been met. The world is in a worse state than 8 years ago.
The usual bull shit, meetings upon meetings, summit upon summit and governments look at $$$$ period they drag out the environment card when it suits their purpose to get votes. Your response is laden with If, this if that well it is not happening is it because $$$ will always dominate.
I don’t mind paying extra taxes for things like health care and education for everyone, I do mind paying bullshit carbon taxes that achieve absolutely nothing except more tax money for the government.
I am all for renewable energy and electric cars etc not just for the environment but to reduce our reliance on regimes around the world that have no regard for human life. Anything that helps solve our reliance on Arab, Russian oil and gas is a plus in my book.
Why would I be proposing solutions was I elected to do that ? and who would listen an escort review board lol.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Make no mistake the way our cities are organized was centrally planned, but the Euripeans dont all seem to need cars and we can model that instead.

Lithium can be obtained from geothermal wells and natural gas.

Oil is subsidized already...we bought a pipeline remeber? Market mechanisms are not at play here, itsis already a tilted system towards oil.

Canada has high co2 emissions per capita, and well need do do our part. But increasingly China is turning to nuclear and renewables. India is a shitshow that will need alot of help both technologically and politically, but it can be done. But sticking your head in the sand and saying im not gonna do anything cause China India would be assainine.

Natural Gas is a fossil fuel. Two key pipelines were cancelled by Trudeau (a really bad stupid move). For not needing cars European cities grew fast in the first half the 20th century when tramways were common and that applies to the big cities. The London tube is one of the oldest subway systems and has over 300 stations. Quebec is so corrupt it takes them 30 years just to extend the blue line (they waste money on studies after studies and bureaucracy). However in the 60s it took them a few years to open the new metro lines. Something is not right. In the western hemisphere a lot of the cities expanded in the 60s during the era of the car and yes it was built for the convenience of cars. Canada does not have the population density of London or NYC to have reliable public transportation everywhere for ppl to be able to drop their cars. As for carbon emissions, I strongly disagree with you. What India and China does matters. It has to be a globalist effort because the last time I checked we are all on the same planet and that carbon goes into the atmosphere.

But that was not the point I was making and you did not understand. The point I made and the same one Fradi said is Trudeau is using this as a way to collect revenue. He is lieing and tricking people to justify a carbon tax. If that money was used to build infrastructure like charging stations at every gas station or to help the homeless or any other help for Canadian citizens then I would be okay with it. Instead Trudeau uses it to send money to foreign countries just to boost his image on the world stage, to buy votes by giving away so much welfare to refugees and immigrants so they vote for him, MPs all giving themselves raises on our expense. If you look at all the climate change pledges none of them have been meet. Trudeau is a lieing hypocrite and that is the problem I got. The carbon tax is one big hoax and so is climate change (I mean the way governments are using it to push their hidden agenda).

 

[sene5hos]

Prolonged rains and flooding in the Durban area of South Africa have claimed hundreds of lives (443), damaging the port, major highways and surrounding areas in KwaZulu-Natal province.

 

[wetnose]

A WTF climate change comment from Mr Tre45on

 

[sene5hos]

President Trump answers a question on China at his G7 news conference. "I think I know more about the environment than most people.
“I did this, I did that, I am the greatest.”

Its too painful to see that some people in this world will not look at the pain of others just because of their fear of losing their wealth.

When you're too stupid to answer the question, just say we're rich.

In conclusion: "I care about the environment but I care more about being the richest nation in the world. Thank you"

Remember, he's answering a question on climate change.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. Trump is living proof of that.