It has since been confirmed:
Brian Burke has indeed been fired by the Maple Leafs.
Shocking!!!
Press conference scheduled for 1:45PM.
Brian Burke has indeed been fired by the Maple Leafs.
Shocking!!!
Press conference scheduled for 1:45PM.
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Yea, shocking at the timing as well......... here is the link
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=413146
Doc, you need a new job?
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=413146
Doc, you need a new job?
I wonder if this has not been planned for quite awhile or if the Luongo trade rumors were true and not approved by the new suits for such a undertaking of Lou's contract? Who's next, please not bob gainey or pierre gauthier :lol:
Good luck to Burke, he has done a wonderful job of stockpiling talent for the future and built the Marlies well, i think he should of been given this season at least but if someone else can come in and get this franchise back to glory then i really could care less who it is, just get some results for the greatest fans in hockey!
Good luck to Burke, he has done a wonderful job of stockpiling talent for the future and built the Marlies well, i think he should of been given this season at least but if someone else can come in and get this franchise back to glory then i really could care less who it is, just get some results for the greatest fans in hockey!
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This is very bizarre. For the past few months, Burke was management's main guy at the negotiations. And now you fire him one week before the start of the season?? What does that mean of Randy Carlyle's status??
And the circus continues in Toronto......the ghost of Harold H. Ballard has returned to haunt the organization!
And the circus continues in Toronto......the ghost of Harold H. Ballard has returned to haunt the organization!
If i do go, my plan is to see an sp at 4pm, then head over to the Bell Center's "La Cage aux Sports" and stay there until the end of the first period. Then, i'll step outside & relieve a scalper of his expensive ticket for a measly $50.
And if i'm not successful (which i doubt), i'll head back to my room, call another sp and watch the rest of the game with her in the doggystyle position. :eyebrows:
Not much was learned from the press conference other than the move could have been made months ago since the co-owners weren't exactly enchanted with Burke's style (in other words, Burke refused to be one of their puppets) and they would have preferred a more 'corporate-type' as it's President. I still don't buy this arguement because of the timing of the move.
But the big question is:
What will happen with Burkie's Dog House??????
But the big question is:
What will happen with Burkie's Dog House??????
Burke fired ?
So much for those here who are 'supposed' to have that much contacts in the NHL when learning about it the same day as everybody.
Specially if you're so nuts about the Leafs.
But hey ! it's Alice in wonderland out here so keep up the good job !
BTW... this is exactly what I said Leafs should do when I was rooting for Gauthier to be kicked out by the HABS as well while some of you here kept on saying I wasn't a real Habs fan since I didn't go with the GM and it was more important to be loyal to the current admin than the team as an entity for us all.
Next time I hear someone say they are better fans for following stupid retarded blindly it will be my pleasure to point out how wrong you guys were.
Hockey shouldn't be about money, stats or stupids who can't even play.
If you can't play on a rink, at least go out and play outside, specially when it's winter time.
This sport should be an obligation for the whole society since it would save thousands of lives and billions in health care.
Any as*hole who thinks I'm not a true fan even if I boycott going to Bell center this year really doesn't know sh*t about the true hockey spirit !
Fans should always come first since they are the ones who carry this sport when players hang their skates or go play somewhere else.
Players started as fans and will end their life as fans.
As for the owners who put money first, they can rot in hell.
Now it's been cool to laugh about the Leafs for so long and since they are in TO it made it even more easy to pick on them for me.
But as a true hockey fan I think it's time this team finally make it to the finals.
It would help the sport in general and since Burke isn't there, I will wish TO's fans a good year no matter what's left of it.
But don't kid yourself, next year I will root for Habs 100%.
Now's the time for Leafs to really focus on hockey.
It's been years I didn't have a good f*ck with my friend in TO while watching hockey !
And somehow when TO is having a good game, she used to be a lot more Devious !
So Good Luck to Iggy and DOC !
Both JC and Merlot should have a good one too !
Something tells me that in 2014 ; G1G, Go Habs Go and me should have a real good time at laughing real hard at both Bruins and Leafs.
Don't ask... I kinda have good connections too
So much for those here who are 'supposed' to have that much contacts in the NHL when learning about it the same day as everybody.
Specially if you're so nuts about the Leafs.
But hey ! it's Alice in wonderland out here so keep up the good job !
BTW... this is exactly what I said Leafs should do when I was rooting for Gauthier to be kicked out by the HABS as well while some of you here kept on saying I wasn't a real Habs fan since I didn't go with the GM and it was more important to be loyal to the current admin than the team as an entity for us all.
Next time I hear someone say they are better fans for following stupid retarded blindly it will be my pleasure to point out how wrong you guys were.
Hockey shouldn't be about money, stats or stupids who can't even play.
If you can't play on a rink, at least go out and play outside, specially when it's winter time.
This sport should be an obligation for the whole society since it would save thousands of lives and billions in health care.
Any as*hole who thinks I'm not a true fan even if I boycott going to Bell center this year really doesn't know sh*t about the true hockey spirit !
Fans should always come first since they are the ones who carry this sport when players hang their skates or go play somewhere else.
Players started as fans and will end their life as fans.
As for the owners who put money first, they can rot in hell.
Now it's been cool to laugh about the Leafs for so long and since they are in TO it made it even more easy to pick on them for me.
But as a true hockey fan I think it's time this team finally make it to the finals.
It would help the sport in general and since Burke isn't there, I will wish TO's fans a good year no matter what's left of it.
But don't kid yourself, next year I will root for Habs 100%.
Now's the time for Leafs to really focus on hockey.
It's been years I didn't have a good f*ck with my friend in TO while watching hockey !
And somehow when TO is having a good game, she used to be a lot more Devious !
So Good Luck to Iggy and DOC !
Both JC and Merlot should have a good one too !
Something tells me that in 2014 ; G1G, Go Habs Go and me should have a real good time at laughing real hard at both Bruins and Leafs.
Don't ask... I kinda have good connections too
OMG,
I hope no one will jump off their Brian Burke hope chest for this.
Maple Leafs fire Brian Burke, name Dave Nonis GM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2013/01/09/maple-leafs-brian-burke/1820557/
The Toronto Maple Leafs fired Brian Burke as general manager on Wednesday and replaced him with Dave Nonis.
Burke, also relieved as president, will remain with the Maple Leafs as a senior adviser to the Maple Leafs' board. He had been hired on Nov. 29, 2008, but wasn't able to bring Toronto to the playoffs for the first time since 2003-04.
Nonis, the team's senior vice president of hockey operations, had worked with Burke on several teams. He was general manager of the Vancouver Canucks from 2004-05 to 2007-08.
MLSE President Tom Anselmi didn't go into specifics on the reasons for the firing, but said at a news conference that "it's not the product of any one incident or any one thing."
I don't understand this. They had all the off-season and the lockout to dump a failed GM and they do it now that the season is about to open. Well, the lack of strategic forethought shows there's a lot more wrong in Toronto than a lousy GM. God bless the fans, they'll need it in the season of the ASTERISK***.
I've never hated the Leafs. The irony is Burke was probably right about not wanting to give up the players required for Luongo.
:lol: Yeah, enough talent to keep on rolling down hill to wallow in oblivion. Burke GONE! It was one of the worse and most underachieving general management tenures in sports history. His leadership led to a 136-144 record in 4 seasons, 3 losing seasons, and never finished higher than 4th in the Northeast, 22nd in the NHL. Too bad. The Leafs nearly always perform very well in the first half of the season before the usual crash. Now that the second half has become the first half this year I thought there was a good shot for Toronto to sniff the playoffs. The only question was, will the first half or second half team show up.
Cheers,
Merlot
I hope no one will jump off their Brian Burke hope chest for this.
Maple Leafs fire Brian Burke, name Dave Nonis GM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2013/01/09/maple-leafs-brian-burke/1820557/
The Toronto Maple Leafs fired Brian Burke as general manager on Wednesday and replaced him with Dave Nonis.
Burke, also relieved as president, will remain with the Maple Leafs as a senior adviser to the Maple Leafs' board. He had been hired on Nov. 29, 2008, but wasn't able to bring Toronto to the playoffs for the first time since 2003-04.
Nonis, the team's senior vice president of hockey operations, had worked with Burke on several teams. He was general manager of the Vancouver Canucks from 2004-05 to 2007-08.
MLSE President Tom Anselmi didn't go into specifics on the reasons for the firing, but said at a news conference that "it's not the product of any one incident or any one thing."
I don't understand this. They had all the off-season and the lockout to dump a failed GM and they do it now that the season is about to open. Well, the lack of strategic forethought shows there's a lot more wrong in Toronto than a lousy GM. God bless the fans, they'll need it in the season of the ASTERISK***.
I've never hated the Leafs. The irony is Burke was probably right about not wanting to give up the players required for Luongo.
:lol: Yeah, enough talent to keep on rolling down hill to wallow in oblivion. Burke GONE! It was one of the worse and most underachieving general management tenures in sports history. His leadership led to a 136-144 record in 4 seasons, 3 losing seasons, and never finished higher than 4th in the Northeast, 22nd in the NHL. Too bad. The Leafs nearly always perform very well in the first half of the season before the usual crash. Now that the second half has become the first half this year I thought there was a good shot for Toronto to sniff the playoffs. The only question was, will the first half or second half team show up.
Cheers,
Merlot
Just heard on Primetime Sports that Vancouver's asking price for Roberto Luongo since day 1 was Jake Gardiner & Nazem Kadri, and Burke was totally against making such a trade.
I've also heard that the MLSE board didn't like the fact Burke wasn't following 'party lines' and his use of foul language during a recent meeting. They also had told him months ago that if he didn't make the playoffs, he'd likely be gone this season. He was also told to go & get Roberto Luongo, whatever the cost. Burke didn't want to mortgage the future by giving the Canucks the package of Gardiner & Kadri that they sought, so that may have been the icing on the cake for some of the board members who voted for his ouster.
I've also heard that the MLSE board didn't like the fact Burke wasn't following 'party lines' and his use of foul language during a recent meeting. They also had told him months ago that if he didn't make the playoffs, he'd likely be gone this season. He was also told to go & get Roberto Luongo, whatever the cost. Burke didn't want to mortgage the future by giving the Canucks the package of Gardiner & Kadri that they sought, so that may have been the icing on the cake for some of the board members who voted for his ouster.
Brian Burke fired by the Maple Leafs: the end of an era
by Damian Cox
Last spring, a veteran GM made a keen observation about the state of the Maple Leafs under Brian Burke.
“I don’t know if he’ll get to finish the job,” said the GM. “But he’s really set them up well for somebody to turn them into a winner.”
Now we’ll find out. The stunning replacement of Burke on Wednesday by his longtime right-hand man, Dave Nonis, was and was not shocking.
Shocking in that there were no rumours it was going to happen — and the timing is downright bizarre, with the 113-day lockout having just ended and the season set to start Jan. 19. Why throw the entire organization into flux now?
But not shocking because of all the rumblings on the street.
The guess here is Burke was fired for one of two reasons.
One, at least half of the new MLSE ownership team, Bell, was seemingly prepared to fire Burke during the summer. The boss there, George Cope, reportedly disliked Burke’s management style and brash public comments, and thought he was “bad for the brand.”
Two, both Bell and Rogers are keen on a deal for Vancouver goalie Roberto Luongo and Burke was resisting such a move. He said repeatedly of late that he was “90 per cent” certain he wanted to go with the combination of James Reimer and Ben Scrivens in net and had talked several times about his frustrations of dealing with Vancouver GM Mike Gillis, particularly since he wasn’t sure dealing for Luongo was the right move.
Clearly, it wasn’t anything Burke had done lately because the lockout had prevented all NHL general managers from making any moves since Sept. 15th.
Only a strong season with a playoff berth was going to save Burke anyway, particularly with the folks at Bell not on side. It’s not clear how supportive the executives at Rogers, the other half of the MLSE alliance, were of Burke.
Just as Nonis succeeded Burke in Vancouver in 2004, he now takes over a young Leaf team with substantial assets in terms of prospects and developing talent and few long-term contractual obligations, essential under the terms of the new NHL-NHLPA collective bargaining agreement.
He also inherits Phil Kessel, who was the signature acquisition of Burke, a controversial deal that backfired when Boston ended up with the No. 2 pick in the draft and won the Stanley Cup, as well.
Nonis, interestingly enough, acquired Luongo for the Canucks in 2006 from Florida in a deal for Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen and Alex Auld, and now will definitely make a strong push to try and land the veteran goaltender.
Nonis, however, is philosophically more committed to the slow and steady, build with youth approach. Along with Burke, he was the executive who put many of the pieces in place with the Canucks that ultimately helped that team make a run to the 2011 Stanley Cup final.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1312705--brian-burke-fired-an-era-ends
by Damian Cox
Last spring, a veteran GM made a keen observation about the state of the Maple Leafs under Brian Burke.
“I don’t know if he’ll get to finish the job,” said the GM. “But he’s really set them up well for somebody to turn them into a winner.”
Now we’ll find out. The stunning replacement of Burke on Wednesday by his longtime right-hand man, Dave Nonis, was and was not shocking.
Shocking in that there were no rumours it was going to happen — and the timing is downright bizarre, with the 113-day lockout having just ended and the season set to start Jan. 19. Why throw the entire organization into flux now?
But not shocking because of all the rumblings on the street.
The guess here is Burke was fired for one of two reasons.
One, at least half of the new MLSE ownership team, Bell, was seemingly prepared to fire Burke during the summer. The boss there, George Cope, reportedly disliked Burke’s management style and brash public comments, and thought he was “bad for the brand.”
Two, both Bell and Rogers are keen on a deal for Vancouver goalie Roberto Luongo and Burke was resisting such a move. He said repeatedly of late that he was “90 per cent” certain he wanted to go with the combination of James Reimer and Ben Scrivens in net and had talked several times about his frustrations of dealing with Vancouver GM Mike Gillis, particularly since he wasn’t sure dealing for Luongo was the right move.
Clearly, it wasn’t anything Burke had done lately because the lockout had prevented all NHL general managers from making any moves since Sept. 15th.
Only a strong season with a playoff berth was going to save Burke anyway, particularly with the folks at Bell not on side. It’s not clear how supportive the executives at Rogers, the other half of the MLSE alliance, were of Burke.
Just as Nonis succeeded Burke in Vancouver in 2004, he now takes over a young Leaf team with substantial assets in terms of prospects and developing talent and few long-term contractual obligations, essential under the terms of the new NHL-NHLPA collective bargaining agreement.
He also inherits Phil Kessel, who was the signature acquisition of Burke, a controversial deal that backfired when Boston ended up with the No. 2 pick in the draft and won the Stanley Cup, as well.
Nonis, interestingly enough, acquired Luongo for the Canucks in 2006 from Florida in a deal for Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen and Alex Auld, and now will definitely make a strong push to try and land the veteran goaltender.
Nonis, however, is philosophically more committed to the slow and steady, build with youth approach. Along with Burke, he was the executive who put many of the pieces in place with the Canucks that ultimately helped that team make a run to the 2011 Stanley Cup final.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1312705--brian-burke-fired-an-era-ends
He will likely go work for the NHL again, that is IF he wants to work right away.
Doc, i hope this is not a sign of things to come from the "Suits" who now own the Leafs..... If the Leafs do get Luongo for the rumored deal of Bozak/Frattin/2nd round pic then they make the playoffs this season and they fired Burke too soon, that is IF Burke did the deal or whether the "suits" did the deal. Overall when the team was bought by Corporate wing nuts who probably have never skated a day in their life i was like, "oh here we go again".... but maybe just maybe this is a good thing, as Dave Nonis is more than qualified and learnt from Burke so there will not be a complete tear down and rebuild when Burke/Nonis have so many good prospects close to being on "his watch" in the NHL.
Geez.... i feel like the resident "Fence Sitter", mErlot :lol: (least i do not ride both sides in 99% of my posts tho)
Doc, i hope this is not a sign of things to come from the "Suits" who now own the Leafs..... If the Leafs do get Luongo for the rumored deal of Bozak/Frattin/2nd round pic then they make the playoffs this season and they fired Burke too soon, that is IF Burke did the deal or whether the "suits" did the deal. Overall when the team was bought by Corporate wing nuts who probably have never skated a day in their life i was like, "oh here we go again".... but maybe just maybe this is a good thing, as Dave Nonis is more than qualified and learnt from Burke so there will not be a complete tear down and rebuild when Burke/Nonis have so many good prospects close to being on "his watch" in the NHL.
Geez.... i feel like the resident "Fence Sitter", mErlot :lol: (least i do not ride both sides in 99% of my posts tho)
Congratulations on your excellent analysis Doc - you've hit a bullseye again!
Nonis
Can one of you guys explain to me why Leafs management, after lambasting Burke's managerial style, would then hire Burke's own right hand man Nonis as GM? Nonis, apart from his 130-91 stint as Cancouver GM, has spent most of the rest of his management career in hockey as second fiddle to Burke, 1st in Vancouver and then in Toronto. One would think that Burke's managerial philosophy and methods of communication is somewhat ingrained on Nonis through all their years working together. Indeed, if Burke did not view Nonis as a worthy accomplice to his managerial shenanigans, he would not have offered him the Toronto job as his assistant after the Canucks gig went sour.
Why not complete regime change? If it is new management, why are they not bringing in their own people, instead hiring the hand-groomed lapdog trainee of the guy they just fired, while not letting the door hit him in his ass on the way out the door?
Can one of you guys explain to me why Leafs management, after lambasting Burke's managerial style, would then hire Burke's own right hand man Nonis as GM? Nonis, apart from his 130-91 stint as Cancouver GM, has spent most of the rest of his management career in hockey as second fiddle to Burke, 1st in Vancouver and then in Toronto. One would think that Burke's managerial philosophy and methods of communication is somewhat ingrained on Nonis through all their years working together. Indeed, if Burke did not view Nonis as a worthy accomplice to his managerial shenanigans, he would not have offered him the Toronto job as his assistant after the Canucks gig went sour.
Why not complete regime change? If it is new management, why are they not bringing in their own people, instead hiring the hand-groomed lapdog trainee of the guy they just fired, while not letting the door hit him in his ass on the way out the door?
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What you say makes perfect sense EB...but it's the LEAFS we're talking about.
The other key factors are that Burke's abrasive style had worn out its welcome with management and the fans have been demanding his ouster for a couple of years. Thus although Nonis might be more of the same in many ways he at least gives the APPEARANCE of change. He might also be more willing to knuckle under to management demands and might play the Luongo game very differently than Burke.
The other key factors are that Burke's abrasive style had worn out its welcome with management and the fans have been demanding his ouster for a couple of years. Thus although Nonis might be more of the same in many ways he at least gives the APPEARANCE of change. He might also be more willing to knuckle under to management demands and might play the Luongo game very differently than Burke.
I don't recall Montreal management hammering Gainey on his way out the door.......................not that they were really in any position to do so after what Gainey did for the Habs as a player.
I also wonder whether Nonis was not quietly kissing ass with new management behind the scenes during the lockout, while Burke was out on the road representing the team. It would be the ultimate back-stab, but I have seen it happen many times in private business, including ones I have worked at.
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Because Nonis has had success on his own, and he and Burke basically built the Canucks into the contenders they have been the last few years and still are, along with some help from Mike Gillis trying to find the final pieces of the puzzle to put the 'Nucks over the hump to win a Cup. Actually i am totally fine with Dave Nonis as GM of Hockeys most important team.
Btw, the Leafs are keeping Burke on as a Senior Advisor, but i highly doubt he stays... He will have another offer in no time, likely from the NHL, again or as a GM after this season is over. Say what you want about the guy, but he has won a Stanley Cup and took the Usa to the silver medal the last olympics when nobody gave them a shot to medal, and knows much more about hockey than any of us and many others as well. You should love him Beav, he is one of your own :lol:
Btw, the Leafs are keeping Burke on as a Senior Advisor, but i highly doubt he stays... He will have another offer in no time, likely from the NHL, again or as a GM after this season is over. Say what you want about the guy, but he has won a Stanley Cup and took the Usa to the silver medal the last olympics when nobody gave them a shot to medal, and knows much more about hockey than any of us and many others as well. You should love him Beav, he is one of your own :lol:
So you are saying he was not fired, but actually demoted? And he must now take his orders from his former assistant?
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