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Thus why i said he likely wont stay....

Iggy you are telling us that Burke was not actually fired, but demoted to the position of "senior adviser", a position in which he would presumably be taking orders from his former assistant, and the new GM, Nonis. This really makes no sense to me and I have no idea why the senior adviser position, if it was in fact offered to Burke, would be offered to Burke, except to insult him. It also makes no sense as to why management, after harshly degrading Burke's managerial style, would allow Burke to stay in the organization in any capacity, which in effect would be sending the message that it is actually OK to employ such persons with such abrasive styles. In effect, you are saying that the Leafs are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

I am not buying any of it, even if you are selling. It does not add up.

I have read that Nonis in the press conference has said he is more "patient" than Burke, who did seem to make impulsive moves and changes for the sake of change. But I wonder how patient Nonis will be if the Leafs do not start well and it's his fucking ass on the firing line.
 
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Just reporting what went down, I had nothing to do with any of it .......... thats what TSN reported so dont shoot the messenger :yield: :lol:
Iggy you are telling us that Burke was not actually fired, but demoted to the position of "senior adviser", a position in which he would presumably be taking orders from his former assistant, and the new GM, Nonis. This really makes no sense to me and I have no idea why the senior adviser position, if it was in fact offered to Burke, would be offered to Burke, except to insult him. It also makes no sense as to why management, after harshly degrading Burke's managerial style, would allow Burke to stay in the organization in any capacity, which in effect would be sending the message that it is actually OK to employ such persons with such abrasive styles. In effect, you are saying that the Leafs are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

I am not buying any of it, even if you are selling. It does not add up.

I have read that Nonis in the press conference has said he is more "patient" than Burke, who did seem to make impulsive moves. But I wonder how patient Nonis will be if the Leafs do not start well and it's his fucking ass on the firing line.
 

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Burke is adding pieces to the puzzle for the future as in 2-3 yrs from now.......

Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
Now that`s what i call a GM!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bravo Burkie!!!!!!!!


Originally Posted by lgna69xxx
so in reality, Leafs saved money dealing Kubina, to sign a better player in Komisarek, thats what a good GM does......

Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
Wow!!! I think getting him for that kind of money is a great move by BB!!!!!
Great move, Brian!!!!!!! Another potential captain on the Leafs!!!

THE LEAFS MADE A BRILLIANT MOVE TODAY BY OBTAINING MIKE KOMISAREK AT A VERY GOOD PRICE!!!!!
Kommy is not only a top 4 defenceman, but he`s also a character player with considerable leadership qualities. Heck, the Habs had him behind the bench as one of the assistant coaches last season when he was injured. This says a lot about the guy. Great move!

i give you the next captain of the toronto maple leafs:

michael komisarek

for at least the next 5 years, then luke schenn will step in & take over the role.


Igna69xxx
07-22-2009, 10:34 PM
Komisarek is one of those guys who has alot of intangibles that make him a very high demand D man......... he`s big, has skill, usues his head (smart), doesnt make to many mistakes, is a team Leader....... all that equals a very good D man in todays NHL

Montreals Loss is Toronto`s gain,......... thanks Habs!
 

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Here you go EB, was not hard to find:

The Toronto Maple Leafs have replaced general manager Brian Burke with Dave Nonis taking over as the new GM and senior vice president. Burke will remain with the organization as a senior advisor.

"Brian will not have direct authority over hockey operations, however this new role will allow our board and I to continue to benefit from his hockey expertise," MLSE president Tom Anselmi said in a statement. "We want to thank Brian for accepting his new role and staying on with our organization."


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=413146
 
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Btw, the Leafs are keeping Burke on as a Senior Advisor, but i highly doubt he stays..

It's basically just a formality. Both Nonis & Anselmi were interviewed on Primetime Sports earlier and that's the body language you had from them in regards to this 'announcement'.

Burke is still under contract for another year & that's why they mentionned he'd stay on as a senior advisor. This is usually done to help the fired employee in finding work, according to what was said today. But Brian Burke will not be seen at the ACC in the near future, you can bank on this.

Iggy, you've had your last Burkie's hotdog! :D
 

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THE WRONG DECISION

Leafs’ owners channel their inner Ballard with Burke firing

by David Shoalts, the Globe & Mail

The firing of Brian Burke proved one thing – no matter who owns the Toronto Maple Leafs, sooner or later they succumb to Harold Ballard disease.

It doesn’t matter if that owner is individual or corporate, once they take charge there is an inevitable descent into the dark comedy that marked Ballard’s ownership through the 1970s and 1980s.

Burke’s removal as president and general manager has the fingerprints of the newest owners, Rogers Communications Inc., and BCE Inc., all over it, rather than Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Ltd., chairman Larry Tanenbaum. Several NHL governors said the word going around the room Wednesday when they met to approve the new collective agreement was that Burke’s abrasive and loud public style long rubbed BCE and Rogers suits the wrong way.

Also hanging over the decision was the long shadow of Roberto Luongo. The consensus among the same hockey executives and some NHL GMs was the stalled trade talks for the Vancouver Canucks goaltender were, at the very least, the final straw in the decision to fire Burke and replace him with senior vice-president of hockey operations David Nonis just 10 days before the lockout-shortened season began.

Burke was not keen to meet the asking price of Canucks GM Mike Gillis for Luongo. Nonis and the other Leaf executives are said to be more willing to get a deal done. Gillis said Burke’s firing won’t affect the talks one way or the other.

But no one saw this coming this quickly. Washington Capitals general manager George McPhee, who worked with and against Burke for years, said he was talking to Burke on Tuesday night. Burke was bubbling with enthusiasm with his plans for the season, said McPhee, who was not, by the way, one of the people who shared the information about the opinions of Burke’s bosses.

Tanenbaum, who had the job of informing Burke of the decision early Wednesday morning, seemed as gobsmacked as everyone else. That included Nonis, who has now replaced his long-time friend twice after firings. The first time was with the Canucks. Tanenbaum does not like speaking to the media but he was especially uncomfortable Wednesday when he arrived at the governors meeting to find a group of media waiting for him outside the hotel. While he is usually polite in brushing aside media queries, Tanenbaum was brusque this time. “It was a decision of the board,” he said.

The MLSE chairman, so flustered and eager to escape the reporters, turned to a revolving door that was covered by yellow tape and closed. He pushed at it for a second then turned and rushed down the street to the next entrance.

Burke’s record since taking the job on Nov. 29, 2008 was 129-135-42 and no playoff games, continuing a post-season drought that goes back to 2004. That is not a gold-plated record, to be sure, but no sensible hockey organization fires the GM on the eve of a new season. This does not bode well for Rogers’ and BCE’s ownership.

If you are going to change direction, it is done far enough into a season that the playoffs are out of reach or immediately after the season. This gives the new boss a chance to get his program in place before the next season starts.

On top of that, any seasoned hockey executive will tell you a GM deserves at least five full seasons to show if his approach is going to be successful. Detroit Red Wings GM Ken Holland, whose cluster of Stanley Cup rings show he might know a thing or two about this, argues in a salary cap world, where that restriction means it takes years to undo a predecessor’s mistakes, it should be 10 years.

Rogers and BCE officially took over MLSE last August after their purchase of the company in December, 2011. That gave BCE chairman George Cope and his Rogers counterpart Nadir Mohamed lots of time to decide if Burke was their man.

If they were going to fire him without giving him the decency of five seasons to prove himself, last September was the time to do it. Especially with the league idle because of the lockout, which would give the new person lots of time to his own touch on a team many GMs and scouts around the league say will be a playoff contender if it gets a good goaltender.

Finally, Burke’s gruff exterior ruffles a lot of feathers. But he is a man of integrity and a good heart who made the Leafs better while enduring a personal tragedy that would have flattened a lot of others.

He deserved better than this.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...ner-ballard-with-burke-firing/article7147945/
 

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Worst news ever for Burkie disciples.


No more wrapping their lips around Brukie's hot meaty wiener. How will his fanatics live their greatest fantasy now? ;)


EDIT: This post has earned you a week off. And further offense will be double the previous one.

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Hey Boyz,

Brian Burke fired: Maple Leafs' bad timing confirms fears about corporate ownership
Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:05 PM EST

There were lots of questions about Brian Burke's reign as general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs: Why did he give up so much for Phil Kessel? Why was he unable to find a No. 1 centerman or No. 1 goaltender? Why did he talk about truculence but build a roster that couldn't back it up? Why were his personal principles stricter than NHL rules? Why did he wait so long to replace Ron Wilson with Randy Carlyle? Why did the Leafs fail to make the playoffs four years in a row?

The Leafs failed to make the playoffs during Brian Burke's four years as GM. (AP)But there is really only one question about his firing: Why now?

"This is a shock for a lot of people," said David Nonis, Burke's right-hand man and replacement.

Tuesday night, Burke and Nonis were together watching the Toronto Marlies, the Leafs' American Hockey League team. Wednesday morning, Burke was supposed to fly to New York for the NHL’s board of governors meeting. The owners were to ratify a new collective bargaining agreement with the NHL Players' Association.

After a long off-season and a longer lockout, the league is about to open for business with a flurry of transactions and a quick training camp before an abbreviated 48-game season.

And yet, at this critical point, the board of directors of Maple Leafs Sports and Entertainment decided now was the time to disrupt the organization's top hockey position. Nonis moved up to GM; Burke was put out to pasture as a senior advisor.

"Did you see this coming, Mr. Nonis?" the Leafs’ new GM was asked in a press conference.

"No."

Nonis looked shocked Wednesday afternoon, his tie loose and askew, a little like Burke's always was.

"I guess the news is coming as a shock, but I don't think the decision has happened overnight," said Tom Anselmi, the executive vice-president and chief operating officer of MLSE. "I think it is a conversation that the board and myself have been having for several months that ultimately came to a decision recently."

Wait. The board and Anselmi had been discussing this for several months, and they couldn't come to a decision until recently?

Burke deserves plenty of criticism. He wanted to rebuild on the fly, but he never seemed to find the right balance between the present and future. He made good moves and bad moves, leaving the Leafs with a better foundation, but not enough high-end talent to suggest a dramatic improvement is imminent.

Toronto, the Centre of the Hockey Universe, has not won the Stanley Cup since 1967 and has not qualified for the postseason since 2004. The Leafs have the longest championship and playoff droughts in the NHL.

But the Leafs' last game was April 7. MLSE could have fired Burke in April or May or June or July or August. MLSE could have given Nonis – or someone else – time to prepare for the coming season and put him in a better position to succeed. Did something change in October or November or December when there was no hockey being played and there were no moves being made?

Anselmi said this had nothing to do with Burke's personal life. He said this had nothing to do with a potential trade for Vancouver Canucks goaltender Roberto Luongo, even though Nonis once replaced Burke as the Canucks GM and acquired … Roberto Luongo. He said it was "more about leadership style and fit," that MLSE was "really looking for a different voice."

David Nonis (R) has a long history with Burke. (Getty)OK. Nonis is a more patient, toned-down version of the brusque, blunt Burke. He worked with Burke for years in different spots, and he has known Carlyle longer than Burke has. He hired Carlyle to coach the AHL's Manitoba Moose before they all won a Cup together with the Anaheim Ducks. He was handling a lot of the Leafs' hockey operations already. The front office is still packed with veterans like Claude Loiselle and Dave Poulin.

"Obviously the team of people [Burke] put in place made the succession easy and seamless despite having to deal with the change, the disruption, at this time," Anselmi said.

The philosophy and approach will stay the same.

"With this decision really, I think Dave and his staff are looking at continuing a process here that's been underway," Anselmi said. "Really the leadership change that we talked about is more about a tone and a voice of leadership than it is about changing gears and going in a different direction technically."

"That's right," Nonis said. "We need to continue building the team. It's not starting from scratch."

But that still doesn't answer the question. What didn't MLSE like about Burke's leadership style? Why now? Anselmi declined to give specifics, even though, you know, those specifics were supposedly the reason for firing him.

"The relationship between a GM and owners is a complex, multifaceted, unique kind of relationship," Anselmi said. "It's not like a suit and his bosses. It's not like a typical employer-employee kind of relationship. It's a very symbiotic kind of relationship. And I mean, Brian, when we were talking this morning, one of the first things he said is, 'You know, I get it. Ownership's changing. Sometimes that relationship changes.' "

I would get it if this happened a while ago. I don't get it now. Ownership's changing? Telecommunications giants Bell and Rogers announced they were buying a 75-percent stake of MLSE in December 2011, and the deal closed in August 2012. It's not like the deal didn't close until Wednesday morning, and it's not like Burke is a hard guy to figure out. He's as out-front and in-your-face as they come.

Maybe there's some just cause that isn’t public. If so, fine. Maybe Burke rubbed the wrong guy the wrong way at the wrong time. If so, it's ownership's right to fire him.

But if Burke was reluctant to trade for Luongo because the cost was too high and MLSE wanted him to make the deal so the Leafs would have a better shot at the playoffs this season, then that would confirm fears about the Leafs' ownership structure harbored since the days of the Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan – that the investors cared more about short-term profit and loss than the long-term plan to build a champion.

And even if that's not true, this still confirms fears about the Leafs' ownership structure – that it is a board of corporate types that doesn't function like a singular owner would. Several months of conversations? A complex, multifaceted relationship? Not like a suit and his bosses? Sounds like politics are too much a part of the process.

"Our ownership wants to win," Anselmi said. "That's what they want to do. They want to reward our fans. That is our singular focus here. It's all about winning."

Sure. But same, old question: Does MLSE know how to do it?

This is the second straight time the Leafs have changed GMs after changing coaches. They hired Burke after hiring his buddy Wilson. Now they're hiring Nonis after hiring Carlyle late last season. This is another corporate ownership group giving another example of how to do hockey business backward.

Perhaps we shouldn't be so shocked.


Sounds like #46 is in the bag. You can take that as a 1000% ironclad guarantee. Only a blind lonely delusional lapdog would have stuck with Burke.

Cheers...BOYZ, :D :thumb:

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least you didnt take both sides of the fence that time, grapie :lol:

Ok "boyzzzz" :rolleyes: a short season, anything can happen... gonna be a scramble to the playoffs and should be non stop excitement (well, except at the bell centre, lol) Welcome Back, NHL
 

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Oy Vey, should of expected this from "you"

Why do you insist on showing us your halloween costume, (going at your favorite canadien) in your avatar,
G1ballsday :confused: and who is the "hab" you are "smokin"? oh snap! on second thought i really dont wanna no and have this urge to call one of Mikes "GOODGIRLS" right now!! bwhahah-ahaha-ahahha- ahahahah!
:lol:


No more wrapping their lips around Brukie's hot meaty wiener. How will his fanatics live their greatest fantasy now? ;)
 

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Wow, imagine a so-called professional sport starting a championship season after five whole days of training. That speaks volumes about the lack of athleticism required to play hockey.
 

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just goes to show you the baseball preseaon is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long, as is the regular season.....
Wow, imagine a so-called professional sport starting a championship season after five whole days of training. That speaks volumes about the lack of athleticism required to play hockey.
 

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just goes to show you the baseball preseaon is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long, as is the regular season.....
The baseball preseason is six weeks long; that's probably two to three weeks longer than it needs to be. Pitchers do need close to a month to get ready. The regular season is not too long.

No real athlete can get ready for serious competition in 5 days. Not competition that requires real skill.
 

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you are showing how little you know about hockey and nhl players rumpiepoo....... they stay in top shape year round and take 3-4 weeks off tops in the offseason unlike basball players.... you are out of your element, once again, and as usual.... next???????????
No real athlete can get ready for serious competition in 5 days. Not competition that requires real skill.
 
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